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[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 184 points 3 days ago (84 children)

It's a crime to not have universal basic income at this point. People aren't only unable to afford basic living expenses, but they're losing jobs to automation and AI already. What are these people supposed to do? Go beg on the streets?

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 51 points 2 days ago

No, Mr Citizen, I expect you to die.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Idk, I feel like landlords would just jack prices by whatever the ubi payments are. Ubi is a good idea for sure, but it's only a piece.

Explain to me why landlords didn't just jack rent payments in 1960s. Why did people back then have money left at the end of the month?

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Controlled rent would also be fantastic and has worked in economically diffuclt times like COVID. I don't see why it wouldn't work again during the recession we are spiralling towards.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

City-owned housing works great here in Vienna. The City owns like somthing like 20% of all apartments and rents them out at basically non-profit rates. It works fantastically! It does not only offer lower rents, but it makes people realize that landlords often charge unnecessarily high prices and makes people demand better from landlords, so these lower their prices as well to compete with the city apartments.

Edit: for reference, i'm paying 500€/month (roughly $600/month) on rent and it's already a private-owned apartment. In the city apartments, the rent is even lower still.

[–] stray@pawb.social 16 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Controlled rent is better than uncontrolled rent, but it suffers from the same problems as minimum wage. And why should landlords even exist? I'm not convinced private rentals should be legal at all. If you're not using a property for personal use or a place of business, why shouldn't it be seized and auctioned or rented publicly?

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Rentals do have their place for people like students, and some businesses who regularly send employees to a city(rare but it happens). Rentals are not inherently bad, but the expectation that someone should rent as a longterm plan is completely fucked. We do not need this many many rental units in the world, not at all.

[–] stray@pawb.social 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I don't mean that renting shouldn't exist, but that it should probably not be run privately for profit.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I’m not wholly against that, but I’m sure there are some benefits. Vienna is the one often brought up in these conversations because something like nearly half their rentals are public and the rest are private which keeps the market in check. We just need much heavy controls on landlords and most people don’t have any experience with landlords that aren’t huge, unregulated pieces of shit.

It’s like how private business is not inherently bad but most places do it so badly that people want out of the whole deal.

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