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[–] gigachad@piefed.social 96 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

Let's add some context and some numbers!

Ukrainians are entitled to "Bürgergeld", the social security system for Germans. This means Ukrainians get a benefit, no other refugee gets. If you come from Afghanistan or Syria, you will get less money than Ukrainians. This includes payments for being single parent or pregnant. You get immediate health insurance and you are immediately entitled to look out for a job [1].

The amount of Ukrainian refugees currently working is about 300,000[2], this number has doubled since the beginning of the Russian invasion. The number of total Ukrainians is not clear, but it is about 1,100,000 [3]

We need to exclude children, disabled people etc., fortunately this article itself gives numbers:

701,000 Ukrainians were entitled to social assistance paid to jobseekers and low-income individuals. [...] Of these, 502,000 were able-bodied citizens aged 15-66.

Which means roughly 60% of Ukrainian refugees are working. Source [2] lists 211k unemployed, 98k doing integration courses, 29k doing work related language courses, 21k are doing some programs with the employment offices (usually this is sitting in front of a PC and learning MS Word).

Can we conclude Ukrainians are lazy? Absolutely not. Ukrainians are very likely to integrate into the job market. Personally I guess this has mainly to do with not fleeing because of economic reasons but war and to a lesser extent cultural reasons.

Are Germans right with being against supporting Ukrainians with social benefits? Well, that is not easy to answer. But keep in mind, Ukrainians have a special status among all refugee groups that enables them receiving much more support than a "regular refugee". This is kind of good will Germans proved especially in the beginning of the invasion, where military support was not nearly as strong as now.
The financial situation of Germans is difficult, as it is almost everywhere else. Every euro paid from the social security system is paid by someones taxes. Taxes and health costs etc. are at an all time high of roughly ~~50~~% 42% of your wage.

Lastly, a lot of Germans wonder what young men in the age of 20 or 30 are doing in Germany, why are they not fighting in Ukraine? If you ask me personally, I can absolutely understand not wanting to die for your country. But I guess it is a fair question.

I hope I could give you some context that helps you sort this out. Like always, it is a bit complicated. Slava Ukraini.

[1] https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/ukrainer-nrw-buergergeld-arbeit-100.html (20.06.2024)

[2] https://www.arbeitsagentur.de/presse/2025-07-knapp-300000-menschen-aus-der-ukraine-gehen-in-deutschland-einer-arbeit-nach (19.02.2025)

[3] https://www.bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anlagen/DE/Forschung/Kurzanalysen/kurzanalyse4-2025-ibs-bevoelkerungsstruktur-ukr-gefluechtete.html (07.05.2025)

[–] yobasari@feddit.org 43 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Some additional context. The survey was done by "Insa" for Bild Zeitung. "Insa" has repeatedly been criticized for their survey methods and has connections to the afd. The Bild Zeitung ist also a low quality right wing news paper. I don't know why DW even reports on stuff Bild Zeitung writes. They are supposed to be reliable. Reading the posted article you would think DW would have done the survey but they only report on the article that was written by Bild Zeitung. And weirdly the article only appears in the russian edition of dw. Not in the German one. Lastly the question was asked very weirdly. They asked "should all Ukrainian refugees receive social assistance?" The answer to this would obviously be no for many people as many ukrainian refugees don't need social assistance if they have a job or are personally wealthy. I can't really find the original survey. Just the Bild article on it. But I wouldn't but too much weight on it.

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The Bild Zeitung ist also a low quality right wing news paper.

Please don't call that propaganda rag a newspaper. It's not even good as toilet paper, because you arse would get dirtier from wiping it with that rag.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

They don't even call themselves a newspaper because then they would probably be liable for lacking even minimal journalistic standards...

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago

First time i heard that insa is tied to the nazis

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