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Millennials are the first generation to move left as they age (www.abc.net.au)

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Millennials are bucking trends, becoming an increasingly progressive voting bloc and rewriting the long-held rules of politics, writes Isabella Higgins.

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[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s however been interesting to see how much my personal views have been shaped by the people I hang with

one of my best friends still hangs on 4chan and he’s just as right-wing and racist as you would imagine.

You acknowledge that the company you keep influences your views, and you continue to keep company with a racist?

[–] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I used to have views like that too - then I changed. I'm not really worried about changing back. That kind of racism is completely incompatible with the way I see the world and other people.

I think that having opposing views just makes our conversations more interesting. He's far more capable of politely debating than the vast majority of people I engage with online.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I can't really fathom willingly remaining in contact with someone who views other human beings that way

[–] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't believe in free will and thus don't blame him for having those views. It's the result of his environment - not a conscious choice. For as long as he isn't hurting anyone else, it's a thought-crime at best.

[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

After a time it becomes a choice, and if you stay that way from fear of rejection from your human group (maybe the racist family that taught it to you) well, you're a coward, plain and simple. To be real, most don't stay that way because of social pressure.

[–] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

After a time it becomes a choice

I genuinely meant what I said about not believing in free will. You don't have to share that belief, but if you're going to argue against my view, you can't just ignore this crucial detail.

If I was able to craft a perfect counterargument against their racist views, then they would helplessly change their mind about it and there would be no freedom in it. It's like claiming that 1 + 1 = 3 and someone then teaching them math and they actually understanding it. No matter how cherished that belief was, they'd be forced to change their mind kicking and screaming. There's zero freedom in being convinced by a well-crafted argument, and this works in both directions.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wrote a big wordy reply but I think based on your lackadaisical attitude to bigotry we're just not gonna see eye to eye so I'll just wish you a good day

[–] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You’re willing to cut contact with anyone who doesn’t pass your purity test - I’m not.

Cutting ties with one of my oldest friend wouldn’t make him less racist; it would just remove the one person who still pushes back on his worst ideas. Same reason I bothered replying to you instead of blocking the second you started moral grandstanding. One of us is willing to talk to people we disagree with. The other isn’t.

Take care.