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Thread update: Prigozhin's fucking dead.

rip-bozo


The BRICS summit will begin on Tuesday and end on Thursday, with various world leaders, politicians, and representatives meeting in Johannesburg, South Africa.

America's anxiety about the summit has been obvious. They have been complicating the event by pushing for the arrest warrant for Putin to be upheld if he steps foot in the country. While this is a remarkably dangerous and unhinged thing to do - even by America's standards - to the leader of a nuclear superpower who could end the world within an hour, it does betray their desperation. Unfortunately, for those of us who wanted to see Putin surrounded by an army of security guards fending off people holding handcuffs, he has sent his Foreign Minister, Lavrov, in his place. Additionally, America has likely been spreading rumors about the lack of interest in gaining new members in the organization.

With apparently 20 countries formally seeking membership and another 20 informally doing so, the bloc has been elevated, whether they like it or not, to the position of the international vanguard of the non-western world. It is extremely important to say that this is not the same as it becoming an anti-American bloc, and many of them (including original members Brazil and India) wish to keep a friendly relationship with the United States. Nonetheless, with the United States' policy of "if you are not with us, you are against us," and as the US seeks to weaken China, in coming years many of them might find themselves under hostile pressure.

BRICS has to try and solve many problems if they are going to chip away at America's stranglehold of the world economy. These problems - like mitigating the dollar's status as a global reserve currency, and America's dominant role in the world economy - are extremely complicated, and will takes years, even decades, to be overcome. Therefore, one should temper their expectations and excitement for this summit. It took tens of millions of deaths in cataclysmic wars, and then several more decades, for America to reach its current position. I see no reason to believe why its downfall will be any less bloody and elongated.

To end on a less depressing note, I've been searching for appropriate anagrams given the list of countries that seek to join BRICS. Obviously not all of them will make it in, but even so. The best I've come up with is HIBISCUS EMANCIPATES BBBBKKRVV.

(also, "bulletins and news discussion" can be rearranged to "libidinous newsstands uncles".)


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

This week's first update is here in the comments.

This week's second update is here in the comments.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Slow news week(s) always gotta end somehow. Though apparently Prigozhin might not have actually been on that plane, per: https://nitter.net/ragipsoylu/status/1694400742633693493#m

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[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)
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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

Ex-Navy SEAL Who Claims To Killed Osama Bin Laden, Arrested

The ex-Navy SEAL who claims to have killed Osama bin Laden was taken into custody in Texas this week.

Robert J. O’Neill, 47, was apprehended on Wednesday in Frisco, facing a Class A misdemeanor charge for assault causing bodily injury and a Class C misdemeanor charge for public intoxication. Although jail records indicated only the assault charge, further details about the arrest were not disclosed by Frisco police.

Lmao get fucked clapping seal

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

Rising powers, multipolarity and capitalism’s ‘final crisis’

Thoughts? I think it'll be obvious where I come down on it but given that he spends the first part of the interview talking in terms of Lenin's definitions of imperialism, I don't want to dismiss it out of hand.

Ukraine was part of Russia — there was no such country as Ukraine, according to Putin. There is actually very little in his speech about NATO and its expansion to Russia’s borders. Instead, he revealed that his real motive was to reestablish the Russian Empire. Ukraine has a lot of very important and valuable resources. Ukraine’s geopolitical position also makes it extremely important for all who seek to dominate Eastern Europe and Central Asia, which of course includes the imperialist states grouped together in NATO. Russia felt that it could strengthen its position vis-à-vis its imperialist rivals by crushing Ukraine’s independence.

I have no problem describing that as imperialism. It is a different form of imperialism — in many ways it is a more traditional form of imperialism than the one implemented by the West since 1980, but it deserves the title of imperialism.

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There is plenty of debate about whether we can describe China as a capitalist country. But there is no disputing that there are many capitalists in China, including in the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party, and that it is in their DNA to become imperialist.

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First of all, as you know, there is a lot of politics going on around this issue; there are a lot of people who hurl the term imperialist against China and Russia in order to present the West as the defenders of humanity against these new imperial powers. It is important to be totally intransigent in the face of this type of propaganda.

But if we look at China, we can see that due to the one-child policy and various other factors, there has been big labour shortages. That has meant that the market position of Chinese workers has improved and, with it, their wages. In response to this, Chinese companies have been shifting production to countries where wages are much lower, such as Myanmar, Vietnam, Cambodia and others.

This is identical — albeit on a much smaller scale — to the processes of globalisation that saw transnational corporations in North America and Europe shift their production to low-wage countries, such as China.

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The idea that social revolution is inconceivable and that the best we can hope for is an end to US/Western hegemony and the emergence of a multipolar world has been gaining ground among opponents of Western imperialism around the world.

In reality, a multipolar capitalist world, a world of rival hegemons and would-be hegemons contesting for power, is a world at war.

And the idea that we should back one side or another, that we should see the corrupt, brutal, thuggish regimes in power in China or Russia as saviours of human civilisation seems to me absurd.

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Wherever we are subjectively, objectively, the necessity to begin a transition towards communism is posed by this existential crisis. Anything that distracts us from this, any sort of fantasy that some kind of a multipolar world will be better in any way, must be dispelled because we do not have any more time to waste.

Aside from Cuba, he's never see a socialist country he didn't immediately hate, it appears. Pretty sus.

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[–] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago

Russian Lin Biao Incident

Russian Lin Biao Incident

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (3 children)

"You can kill a man but you can't kill an idea."

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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago

Folks it's my bad, I polished off the last of my can of Pringles for lunch.

[–] Cigarette_comedian@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

On the Ukrainian front, nothing new.

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (8 children)

the Russians continue to very slowly advance up in the north, but I reckon Kupyansk is gonna become Bakhmut 2.0 and we'll be talking about that for the next 9 months

conflicting claims about who currently controls Robotyne, AKA the starting line, as the last two unsmashed Ukrainian brigades head into action. I do wonder actually if the attempt to pierce through the lines now is because the US wants to rain on Russia's parade while the BRICS summit is happening

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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I'm arguing with a friend about China's ghost cities and it's "impending real estate collapse"? Anyone have any articles I can reference that aren't Wall Street Journal?

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Show him Tianducheng, which is one of the ones that was commonly named a "ghost city" in that big propaganda wave.

https://youtu.be/3G6rWccBGdU

What your friend is misunderstanding here is that when you do huge state operations, you can just construct entire cities because you're planning ahead and have a centralised plan instead of leaving it all up to the "market". All of these ghost cities get inhabited when the state is ready, as planned.

It's used as propaganda because in western countries the idea of having the kind of central planning to construct entire cities before moving people into them is alien. This allows you to write absolute nonsense about it if you want to.

This video on Ordos "ghost city" is also very good: https://youtu.be/VvcflB6rnS0?t=76

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[–] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] chay@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] eatmyass@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (6 children)

U.S. is saying so far that there was no surface to air missile, there was a bomb on the plane or some sort of sabotage

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[–] GayTuckerCarlson@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago

:pit: Israelis were dancing on 9/11! frothingfash

yes-comm Then brother put me on birthright and call me סקס הומו because I was too

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Patrick Lawrence: Biden’s Pointless Asian Summit

My goodness. President Joe Biden and the press serving his regime pumped so much hot air into that three-sided Asian summit at Camp David last week it is a wonder the entire occasion didn’t float away like an overfilled balloon.

Here’s the thing: It will.

Biden brought together the South Korean president and the Japanese premier to forge some kind of new security pact that is intended to endure, as Biden bloviated, “not just this year, not just next year, forever.” You have to love it: Rarely do we get clownish hyperbole of such high quality. But we must remind ourselves from whom this silliness issues. Then we can make some minimal sense of nonsense, if you will suffer a paradox. Let us consider the grist of the talks Biden hosted at the presidential retreat in Maryland. This will not take long.

President Yoon Suk Yeol and Premier Fumio Kishida are two rightist conservatives with very low approval ratings back in South Korea and Japan respectively. They each flew to Washington for White House summits earlier this year, reflecting the Biden regime’s plan to fortify an arc of security alliances running from Seoul through Tokyo, Manila and Singapore all the way to Canberra.

The prima facie objective of this strategy, as obvious as the sun’s rise in the morning, is to surround China so as to contain its influence in the Pacific and, you have to figure, at some point to confront it militarily. I find it weird beyond weird that Biden continues to insist that his regime is not “anti–China” and still expects anyone to take him seriously.

The Camp David summit last Friday was supposed to be a big moment in this extravagant project. The three leaders agreed to expand military exercises they already conduct, to establish a three-way communications hotline, to gather yearly for a trilateral summit and to extend cooperation on ballistic missile deployments, which is Orwell-speak for putting more U.S. missiles on South Korean and Japanese soil.

The White House calls these agreements “the Camp David Principles.” At this point I need help, and maybe you do, too. Military drills; red telephones in Seoul, Tokyo and Washington; talking together once a year, more American hardware at the western end of the Pacific: I cannot find a single principle in any of what the three presented to the world when they were finished last Friday afternoon.

And there is a good reason for this. Washington has been pushing its more pliant Asian allies for years to sign on to its new Cold War in the Pacific. But push has not yet come to shove. Were Washington to shove Seoul and Tokyo — to tell them the hour has come to engage the People’s Republic in war — it would be instantly clear that East Asians share few of America’s “principles” and want no part of an open conflict with their largest neighbor, largest trading partner and civilizational brothers and sisters.

The mountain Biden wants to make out of this molehill surpasses all belief, in my read. The Camp David setting and the “Camp David Principles” are clunky props in our addled president’s effort to summon the Camp David Accords former President Jimmy Carter negotiated with Egypt’s Anwar El-Sadat Sadat and Israel’s Menachem Begin back in 1978. There is only one thing more supercilious: The New York Times’ fawning coverage of the summit as brought to you by Peter Baker, the paper’s White House correspondent.

A clown covering a clown will always make entertaining reading, I always say.

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China was supposed to be inflamed by the Camp David events, and I suspect the Biden regime and the American press wanted it to be angered so as to lend the occasion magnitude. I was all the more struck by how casually Beijing seemed to shrug it off. My read: Beijing certainly views the U.S. as a grave threat to its security, but it well recognizes the practical limits of its allies’ loyalties.

Let’s put it this way: Try to imagine Seoul or Tokyo committing troops, ships, and planes to a cross–Strait war in defense of Taiwan led by the U.S. military. I am sure readers can finish this paragraph very well on their own.

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[–] medium_adult_son@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Brazilian foreign minister, to the Russian foreign minister at the BRICS summit:

"Would you like to buy more of our Embraer planes?"

monkey's paw curls

I can't find the monkey's paw emoji monke-beepboop

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[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you're a Prigozhin type guy is it more safe to just take all public flights from then on just to bet on the chance that there'll be too many civilians around the blast?

Asking for a friend.

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yeah, but it's also not a terribly relevant question for us as the average communist revolutionary doesn't have a private jet in the first place

imo, do the Lenin thing and take the train in. idk if it's actually safer and less easy to tamper with but the train is the people's vehicle

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[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Didn't know pringles Was considered the greatest hero of Ukraine on twitter

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[–] 420LetPobedy@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago

Ten killed in private jet crash north of Moscow - Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin 'on passenger list' https://news.sky.com/story/ten-killed-in-private-jet-crash-north-of-moscow-wagner-leader-yevgeny-prigozhin-on-passenger-list-12946006

[–] EndOfHerstory@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (3 children)

“Prigozhin” to the tune of “Rasputin” by Boney M.

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