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[โ€“] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's good that something is finally being done.

Instead of just copying big tech from silicon fucking valley, we could also improve on it somewhat, such as making the software open source.

[โ€“] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

GDPR was a good move. Hopefully others are soon on the way.

[โ€“] susurrus0@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Ban American big tech? Okay, makes sense.

Create a European Silicon Valley? I don't know about this one.

The reason China and the US are global leaders in technology is because of their complete disregard for human rights and the environment. Creating a "European Silicon Valley" would simply bring us down to their level, or at least closer. Mimicking America has never worked well for Europe. We need our own European systems born from our own European ideas.

[โ€“] Miaou@jlai.lu 4 points 6 days ago

This is absolutely not true. Europeans not investing and selling off every bit of innovation they produce to american vulture capitalists is the reason we are behind.

Also what have tech companies to do with the environment? Sure now the AI BS is a strain on energy consumption, but it's not like EU started lagging only since 2022. China is doing generally much bettet wrt electrification than eg the Germans.

[โ€“] abcdqfr@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

like arguing for slave labor a la chinese labor market, to compete!! we cannot entertain a race to the bottom, that is already being done, as a species

[โ€“] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

โ€˜It is not enough to import evil! We must manufacture evil here at home!โ€™

[โ€“] Pratai@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

This 100% needs to happen. America absolutely needs to be taken down several hundred notches.

[โ€“] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 6 points 6 days ago

I don't agree to ban it, since we would go stone age. But there should be incentives to use european alternatives.

[โ€“] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Instead, there seems to be a promise to not tax or fine them, in addition to giving them encryption backdoors on its citizens, and beg to buy overpriced Nvidia chips to give it all to Big US tech owned skynet. Reward is 30% tariffs to US sales on everything.

[โ€“] vane@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I am old enough to remember Siemens SL45 mobile phone and Symbian but European politicians focused on killing those. If we see Big Tech in Europe it will be Social Credit System and Chinese style surveillance. Europe politics is corrupted to the ground. They say they hate corporations and take money from them after that.

[โ€“] Benedict_Espinosa@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

European politics is far from perfect, although it is arguably better and less corrupt than in the US now. But it was not politics that killed European mobile phone industry - it was competition along with mismanagement and miscalculations of the European mobile phone manufacturers. Symbian was just a weak and clumsy platform compared to iOS and Android, it could not compete in a changing market.

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[โ€“] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Yes. Also Silicon Valley is a wrong example.

Old Nokia is a good example, Acorn, ARM of old.

Except what those people want is exactly a second Silicon Valley, just loyal to them.

[โ€“] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

So you all are hiring soon? Lol

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