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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 26 points 1 day ago

For every dollar a participant earns through employment they lose 50 cents from their basic income payment. This means the basic income proposal would only apply to individuals earning less than 34,000 CAD ($24,380) a year, or couples earning less than 48,000 CAD ($34,420).

This is not UBI.

UNIVERSAL basic income is UNIVERSAL: It doesn't matter how much you earn.

Oh, you pulled in a billion dollars last year? Here's your check for $12,000. To save us postage, we're including it in the same envelope as your $450,000,000 tax bill.

The universality of the system is the single most important component. We convey to our government(s) our political authority. They use our political authority to provide essential services, such as roads and courts and rule of law. They charge the taxpayer for those services. UBI is how they compensate us, the shareholders of our government(s) for the use of the political authority we grant them.

UBI is not a social program. It is not charity. It is the government finally paying out dividends to its citizen-shareholders.

[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 184 points 3 days ago (73 children)

It's a crime to not have universal basic income at this point. People aren't only unable to afford basic living expenses, but they're losing jobs to automation and AI already. What are these people supposed to do? Go beg on the streets?

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 51 points 2 days ago

No, Mr Citizen, I expect you to die.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Idk, I feel like landlords would just jack prices by whatever the ubi payments are. Ubi is a good idea for sure, but it's only a piece.

Explain to me why landlords didn't just jack rent payments in 1960s. Why did people back then have money left at the end of the month?

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Controlled rent would also be fantastic and has worked in economically diffuclt times like COVID. I don't see why it wouldn't work again during the recession we are spiralling towards.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

City-owned housing works great here in Vienna. The City owns like somthing like 20% of all apartments and rents them out at basically non-profit rates. It works fantastically! It does not only offer lower rents, but it makes people realize that landlords often charge unnecessarily high prices and makes people demand better from landlords, so these lower their prices as well to compete with the city apartments.

Edit: for reference, i'm paying 500€/month (roughly $600/month) on rent and it's already a private-owned apartment. In the city apartments, the rent is even lower still.

[–] stray@pawb.social 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Controlled rent is better than uncontrolled rent, but it suffers from the same problems as minimum wage. And why should landlords even exist? I'm not convinced private rentals should be legal at all. If you're not using a property for personal use or a place of business, why shouldn't it be seized and auctioned or rented publicly?

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Rentals do have their place for people like students, and some businesses who regularly send employees to a city(rare but it happens). Rentals are not inherently bad, but the expectation that someone should rent as a longterm plan is completely fucked. We do not need this many many rental units in the world, not at all.

[–] stray@pawb.social 1 points 1 hour ago

I don't mean that renting shouldn't exist, but that it should probably not be run privately for profit.

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[–] BeNotAfraid@lemmy.world 97 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Tax the rich > fund the working class and social services > economic boom. We Know.

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