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Mr. Paxton filed the suit against Johnson & Johnson, which sold Tylenol for decades, and Kenvue, a spinoff company that has sold the drug since 2023.

The Texas lawsuit claims that the companies knowingly withheld evidence from consumers about Tylenol’s links to autism and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. The suit also claims that Kenvue was created to shield Johnson & Johnson from liability over Tylenol.

This lawsuit is the first by a state that seizes on Mr. Trump’s allegations that the use of acetaminophen products like Tylenol during pregnancy could cause neurodevelopmental disorders. The issue has been a longstanding concern among some followers of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the nation’s top health official, but the idea gained traction with Mr. Trump’s remarks.

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[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

And two days later Dr Brainworms publicly destroyed this claim.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 61 points 5 days ago (7 children)

We’ve had two whole generations of people using acetaminophen during pregnancy. Why have we not seen a massive uptick in autism to match? After accounting for increased screening and changes in definition and attribution, there’s a slight rise in autism rates that doesn’t align at all with acetaminophen use.

And where are the J&J studies showing that the supposed link was known to that particular company?

They’d do much better targeting plastic and PFAS manufacturers, as their products are known to cause the cellular mutations that can lead to cancer and autism.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 79 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (13 children)

We have seen a massive uptick. That's the whole problem. In 1970 the rate was 1:10,000 and now it's 1:30

But the reason for the massive uptick is because we understand autism better and can diagnose it easier. But idiots don't understand that and assume something must be making more autistic kids than before.

[–] Pipster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Paracetamol also causes left handed-ness

[–] Klear@quokk.au 31 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 37 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)
[–] myster0n@feddit.nl 28 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago
[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 20 points 5 days ago

Correct. So many people are only being diagnosed as adults with autism now precisely because they were never diagnosed as children because we didn't even really have it defined at that time and didn't understand the full scope of the condition. It's not that they "became" autistic, it's that our definition and understanding of it evolved to include them retrospectively. Tylenol did not cause this. Understanding did.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Not to mention, we have tons of documentation of people behaving and expressing in ways that would now be diagnosed as ASD, prior to ASD existing as a diagnosis ~~and~~ acetaminophen. Explain that.

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Which creates the question. If the spectrum of autism is so wide and common does that mean autism is not a disorder or condition but just one of the many common traits of humans but some people (much like athleticism) have a stronger ability?

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Just like blindness, cancer and obesity are among the many common traits of humans.

The fact that something naturally occurs doesn't mean it's not pathological.

I'm not implying autism is necessarily a pathology, only that the reasoning is unsound that concludes that it's not because it naturally occurs.

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ASD = Acetaminophen Scary Disorder

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

Explain that.

Acetaminophen could still be a cause, even if autism existed before it was used.

There's no evidence that's true, though.

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[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 39 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You are approaching this all wrong.

It's not about evidence. It's not about science.

It's about what feels good

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I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I will always upvote The Demon-Haunted World. Should be required reading for every adult.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

It's about what makes some con artist money.

[–] IHeartBadCode@fedia.io 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What gets me is that studies show that autism is highly genetic.

In identical twins, ASD in one usually leads to a diagnosis of ASD in the other 96% of the time. Which lines up with a high affinity to genetic factors.

In fraternal twins we have seen, a 16% when a given sex ASD is diagnosed leading to an opposite sex ASD diagnosis. A 36% when a female ASD is diagnosed leading to a female ASD diagnosis. And a 31% when a male ASD is diagnosed leading to a male ASD diagnosis.

This lines up with genetic factors from a particular parent that are expressed with the gonosomes. That it affects higher in women is a hint that it may be within the X complex gonosomes. If Tylenol played a serious role in the development of those things then we'd see different data here. That opposite sex fraternal is nearly half the amount for same sex fraternal, really hammers home the notion that we're dealing with something genetic. But at the same time we don't know what genes.

The core argument with RFK is oxidative stress. But literally everything causes oxidative stress, not getting the correct amount of sleep causes oxidative stress. And that's the bigger issue with the studies that RFK has forwarded about Tylenol. Their argument is a confusion of causation and correlation.

And this has been pointed out by a ton of concerned scientist. That's not to dismiss the data that RFK has provided, it is pointing out that the data they are using doesn't point to the conclusion they are indicating directly.

I can imagine that Texas could possibly prevail on their case given that even scientist, including the ones RFK cites, aren't 100% sure that Tylenol has any role in any of this. This isn't the first time some group or even a State sued over poor science, but it's really frustrating because Texas has a duty to provide for their citizens and here they are using a poor conclusion to some data to do something that's no in the interest of their citizens.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 43 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I hope Texans enjoy having their taxpayer dollars wasted. Because that’s what they’ve voted for, and that’s all this will do, because acetaminophen absolutely the fuck does not cause autism

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Because that’s what they’ve voted for

The joke of Texas Politics is that we've got Reagan Republicans on the right and Dixiecrat Democrats on the ahem left. Then we're told to pick our poison. If you're waiting for Congressman Henry Cuellar and Mayor John Whitmire to save you, then you'll be waiting a long time.

There are plenty of genuinely good and gracious people in my state. Come down to Houston and help "Food Not Bombs" hand out meals to the homeless as fast as we can, before the HPD can knock over our tables and drag the volunteers off in handcuffs. Come join the Women's March that filled the streets of downtown. We have them ever year. Or join the local DSA that's been crusading to unionize the retail sectors and boycott IDF-affiliated terrorist organizations for over a decade.

Or just stay for the electoralism, where you can wait in line for seven hours to cast a ballot and get arrested at the end of it. The idea that "this is what we voted for" is a fucking lie. We're occupied territory. About as free to govern ourselves as any Hawaiian native protesting the United Fruit Company or Okinawa resident getting raped by a US serviceman.

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[–] flynnguy@programming.dev 33 points 5 days ago (5 children)

The first individual officially diagnosed with autism was Donald Triplett in 1943. Dr. Kanner (The Dr. who diagnosed him) had noted Triplett's symptoms, such as social withdrawal and an insistence on sameness, as early as 1938. While not diagnosed as autism, there are historical accounts of individuals with similar characteristics, such as the "Wild Boy of Aveyron" in the late 1700s and Hugh Blair of Borgue in the 18th century.

Tylenol was introduced in 1955.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Just a reminder that Europe had the concept of “Changelings” for 2,000 years, where babies that suddenly changed and became difficult or antisocial were thought to have been replaced by a fairy. These babies were then left in the woods to “return them to the fairies”

This practice has been documented for thousands of years.

Autistic people have existed for thousands of years, just now we don’t call them changelings and abandon them in the forest.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

now we don’t call them changelings and abandon them in the forest.

Bobby Brainworm enters the chat....

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

were thought to have been replaced by a fairy

An elf. Such a changeling was called an oaf, a word that comes from the same root as elf.

[–] freedom@lemy.lol 7 points 4 days ago

The first case of lung cancer was (insert year), cigarettes weren’t introduced until (later year).

I’m not claiming Tylenol causes autism, but your logic isn’t disproving either.

[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"A causes B" doesn't imply that B is only caused by A, so this is pointless to bring up

That being said, RFK is a colossal idiot and the Tylenol-autism thing is a pretty clear-cut case of correlation≠causation.

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm honestly doubting that there's even correlation here.

On the other hand, there does seem to be correlation between older mothers having autistic children. I suspect the mothers have children when they are older because they have undiagnosed autism (that they then pass to their children through genetics), rather than their age causing autism in their children.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Also, the rate of all kinds of genetic defects increases with maternal age once the mother gets near menopausal age. So there's that.

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[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 9 points 4 days ago

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[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

they should go ahead with everything and disprove all this nonsense in court

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

I mean, you'd like to think courts are a place where evidence is reviewed and truth is ratified. But... glances at the US Fifth Circuit...

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Does anyone have an angle on the strategy here? Obviously Paxton, et al. know this is complete bullshit. Is it extortion of some sort? Get another above board bribe from a corpo?

I'm not buying it is purely optics. These fuckers don't have to care about convincing anyone anymore so there's gotta be a grift in there somewhere.

Additional conspiracy theory elements from this thread:

  • J&J spun off Tylenol last year. Did they know this was coming? Are they complicit in the grift or did Kennedy know about evidence that actually indicated a link between autism and acet.. aceta... what is it... Tylenol?

  • Discovery is a part of the judicial process so will they discover there is no evidence that J&J knew anything? What then? Lie, of course, but to what end?

  • Release the Epstein files.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

Is it extortion of some sort?

It's a shakedown. They want an out-of-court settlement.

[–] Chaotic_Altruist@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

From what I can tell they've got a few eggs in this basket:

  • JF(C)K Jr. and trump and Dr. Oz and the gang are selling the "cure" for autism which is just a random supplement and trying to scare people into buying it.

  • If they can tell the public that essentially the safest and most common medication is evil and everyone believes it, they can essentially say anything they want and define medicine for their own profit in the future.

  • Lawsuits can be profitable even if they're bullshit. If they hurt a company and invest in their competitors, they can make money even while paying for a frivolous lawsuit. Plus they might even win with how brainwashed everyone is these days.

  • Autism and ADHD are scapegoats for conservatives and they can get people to follow them just by targeting these so called evil neurodivergencies. Kinda like Hitler targeting Jews and others for all of Germany's problems, they target immigrants and neurodivergents and transsexuals (oh my lol).

  • Distract from the Epstein files and illegal overhaul / takeover of the government for fascism as always

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

essentially the safest and most common medication

Acetaminophen is toxic at high doses. Its pharmaceutical ratio is kind of shit.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

It's the number one cause of liver failure. Americans pop them like candy.

[–] Chaotic_Altruist@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

That's fair, definitely not a true statement. Still pretty safe in low doses in almost every scenario but everything has it's caveats and paracetamol can be nasty if taken in more frequent or higher doses. Same with most stuff though including some vitamins.

But yeah kinda surprising how close therapeutic dose is to lethal dose and how hard regular use can be on your liver. Kinda forget how some people pop this every day like clockwork

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[–] tomselleck@sopuli.xyz 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Let me start by saying, “Fuck Paxton”. It is very convenient that J&J spun off just Tylenol into a different company about a year ago. No real reason except corporate word salad. This could get interesting.

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I like how corporations are people that can legally re identify as something else on a whim.

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I went to my bank one time when there was an issue with my mortgage. They weren't honoring part of their original terms, so I went in to talk to them.

They'd recently bought some other local banks and rebranded the whole thing.

I go talk to the mortgage manager and say you're not honoring your terms, and the lady looks at me and says that deal was with the old bank.

I said you are literally the same person I made this deal with, and if you aren't the same bank, why do I still owe you money?

They had been a really great local bank my whole life, and after that, I've never looked at them the same or trusted them all that much ever again. Nearly every business here is some mega chain, and it burns me to see the remaining local companies turn into something just as bad.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

That argument is legal horseshit btw, they are 100% bound by the terms of the contract. If they fuck around, it's time to you to seek out a good attorney and sue them if they breach the contract.

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[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Is that why Paxton's face is f'd up?

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