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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago

Visiting family over the weekend and shout out to my boomer ass parents for shutting the hell up when I hit them with a "I support Palestinian right to self determination and I stand with them in their struggle for liberation from an apartheid occupation"

I think i got to them before they heard the official Bill Maher Leftist Party Line

[–] zephyreks@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

China's been rapidly deleveraging from their property sector: direct and indirect contributions from the property sector went from 30% of GDP in 2020 to 23% of GDP in 2023.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hezbollah: Tomorrow, Wednesday, is the day of anger of the resistance

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

https://streamable.com/scw2cy

  1. While the Palestinian Youth Movement offered chants that would be much stronger than other demonstrations on this issue, one was cut off before hearing the response: "They've got tanks, we've got hang gliders-" was cut off and turned to "Free, free Palestine!"

One of the funniest things I've seen recently. This is a protest group in Washington DC. "No that's too much not here" and quickly changing the chant. PSL were also present.

From this thread: https://twitter.com/FordFischer/status/1714847599616737474

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (16 children)

Today or tomorrow - what will you do to take a break from war doomscrolling?

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[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
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[–] Noven@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (1 children)

At this point any government not trying to intervene is complicit in the crimes of israel. If the international rules based order means anything, 800 murdered in a hospital attack should erase any right for the state of israel to exist.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (18 children)

Head of the Israeli National Security Council: If our enemies intervene because of the war on Gaza, the United States will intervene against them

https://fxtwitter.com/SkyNewsArabia_B/status/1714274624576614849

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[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Biden: I will not talk about the hospital incident in Gaza unless I have confirmed information. I understand the skepticism of some around the world about who is behind the attack on the hospital in Gaza. I did not say what I said about Israel’s irresponsibility in targeting the hospital except because I trusted the source of the information… The Pentagon says it is unlikely that Israel was behind the attack on the hospital

  • Al Arabiya (per here)

shocked-pikachu bruh

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Right now wine mommy Kamala is almost done with a bottle of chardonnay and she's thinking about sitting in the big chair in the Oval Office. Out loud she says "_____________ go boom. Kamala moves into the room," and then she giggles.

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It seemed wise to remove a certain word or phrase.

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[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago

I just love how none of the newscasts I've seen so far mention the phrase "cease responsibility for life" when talking about Israel's plans after they execute their operation. Also haven't looked into it, but one mentioned that supposedly they want the Arab League and the UN to govern Gaza... love how the Middle East's beacon of democracy wants a bunch of unelected outsiders to be the ones to govern after they get rid of the democratically elected government of Gaza.

[–] zephyreks@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Cards are falling in China's supercomputing game and I think Huawei is winning. Bester was initially contracted to build a NVIDIA supercomputer: https://www.yicaiglobal.com/news/china-bester-wins-usd247-million-ai-deal-for-supercomputing-center

Recent sanctions make that impossible and they've now switched to Huawei's platform (which, if anyone has actually used, is a little rough around the edges but otherwise viable). This is really good for Huawei, because they now have a completely captive market that they can use to pitch accelerators like Ascend to. Absolutely massive win for Huawei.

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago

Hey all, just remember the government would never lie to protect its interests!

[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (5 children)
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[–] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago

I rarely find Don funny for whatever reason but I chuckled at this

[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

"yeah ofc blake it's black/white it's either genocide or not genocide and you're taking a side"

over and over and over and over i hate my workplace this day and i'm definitely due for an HR meeting

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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Here's an analysis/message/memo? of some Russian lieutenant general: https://nitter.cz/DD_Geopolitics/status/1715500053207675210 I have no idea how the Twitter account got the memo, but it's interesting all the same.

Here's an older analysis/message/memo of the same dude from the same Twitter account: https://nitter.cz/DD_Geopolitics/status/1711882620899057750

His Wikipedia article is pretty funny:

During the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, he made it clear that in case of a world war, Russia would bomb London before Warsaw, Paris or Berlin.

On 30 August 2022 Gurulyov "encouraged Putin's regime to launch missile strikes on the British Isles", and said that "would be the end of the British Crown."

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

lenin-confused

Israel says the next stage of the war might not be what everyone is expecting, and that a ground offensive into Gaza was never explicitly mentioned

No fucking idea where this is being sourced from.

EDIT: Another version --

"We are preparing for the next stages of war. We haven't said what they will be. Everybody's talking about the ground offensive. It might be something different," - IDF Spox

If accurate this is the first clear sign of the IDF walking back on the idea of a ground offensive.

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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago

Westoid media when reporting on zionist atrocities: "So and so many Palestinians dead"

Westoid media when reporting on dead settlers: "Completely ordinary people! Little girls! Innocent civilians! Murdered by terrorists!"

White zionist settlers are humanised people that you are supposed to relate to, Palestinian civilians are a faceless dehumanised mass of others that is fundamentally unlike you. It is allowed to feel bad about them dying but only in the "isn't it a shame" way you get when you hear about some endangered frog going extinct and nobody on the zionist side ever has a clear moral responsibility for their deaths.

[–] Jenniferr@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Israel bombed that hospital correct? I can't imagine that a hamas rocket did that much damage tbh

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago

Yes the Al Jazeera investigation is pretty definitive.

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago

I'll make this my summary of this 600 word update at the NYT from ~25 minutes ago.

The conditions were so bad that some people were considering going back to their homes in the north, he said.

Aid workers in southern Gaza say people ‘are just trying to survive.’

In Khan Younis, the city in southern Gaza where hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have fled from the north for safety, people are sleeping in the streets.

There are long lines in front of water tanks, bakeries and market stalls, with fights erupting over the last remaining bread loaves and tomatoes. Some people are building ovens from sand and soil to bake bread in the traditional way, hoping to save their families from hunger.

Everyone is “just trying to survive,” Yousef Hammash, an advocacy officer for the Norwegian Refugee Council, an aid group, said on Tuesday in a voice message from Khan Younis. Mr. Hammash is among those who have left their homes in the northern part of Gaza in recent days, after Israel warned residents to head south as its military prepares a possible ground invasion of the blockaded enclave.

Some newly displaced people are staying in schools operated by the United Nations that are being used as shelters. More are staying with relatives in overcrowded homes. Others are sleeping rough.

And despite Israel’s declarations, the south is not safe either, Mr. Hammash said, as Israeli forces continue to fire airstrikes that hit residential buildings. Dozens of people were killed in strikes overnight and Tuesday morning, the Gazan authorities said, and more were wounded. But there are not enough beds in the hospital to treat those who were injured, Mr. Hammash said, and not enough morgue space to store the bodies.

The conditions were so bad that some people were considering going back to their homes in the north, he said.

Israel pledged to open a water line in southern Gaza, but there is no electricity or fuel to pump it, said Shaina Low from the Norwegian organization’s Jerusalem office. Trucks carrying relief supplies have not been allowed to enter southern Gaza from either Israel or Egypt amid the ongoing blockade, she said. And after Israeli strikes on telecommunications towers, it has been increasingly difficult to get in touch with people in southern Gaza, she added.

The World Health Organization, which also has staff members in southern Gaza, said Tuesday that hospitals there were facing “an acute shortage of medical supplies and equipment,” and “an imminent water and sanitation crisis.” The limited water supply is putting the lives of more than 3,500 patients in 35 hospitals across the strip at immediate risk, the agency added.

On Monday, the United Nations agency for Palestinian affairs warned that many of Gaza’s two million people had begun drinking water from contaminated sources, raising fears of an explosion of waterborne diseases. It also said that it was “no longer able to provide humanitarian assistance” to the people of Gaza.

“It’s really a catastrophe what’s going on now in Gaza,” said Adnan Abu Hasna, one of 13,000 U.N. aid workers in Gaza who have been displaced from their homes since Oct. 7.

Mr. Abu Hasna, 61, left his home in Gaza City, in the north of the territory, and is living with some 40 relatives at his brother’s home in southern Gaza.

“We have 400,000 displaced people and we don’t have the resources to help them,” he said on Monday from the southern city of Rafah. “We don’t have the resources.”

Philippe Lazzarini, the commissioner general of the U.N. agency for Palestinians, warned that if fuel and water were not allowed into Gaza, “people will start dying.” He added: “Gaza is running out of water, and Gaza is running out of life.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/10/17/world/israel-hamas-war-biden-gaza/aid-workers-in-southern-gaza-say-people-are-just-trying-to-survive?smid=url-share

[–] KittyBobo@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The most doomer I've been about anything is thinking how the US empire and Israel are going to be like Twitter. It's run by a buffoon. It should have collapsed already, it's going to suck when it does because how that will affect people there but at least we could rip the bandaid off and build something better. And yet it persists.

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If the Resistance doesn't engage now then I genuinely do not see what could make them do so outside of the ground offensive. Now is literally the perfect moment. I will assume that if they do not go within the next 12 hours, they never will.

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[–] Tervell@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine (archived)

Western support for Israel’s assault on Gaza has poisoned efforts to build consensus with significant developing countries on condemning Russia’s war against Ukraine, officials and diplomats have warned.

That had eroded efforts since Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine to build consensus with leading states in the so-called Global South — such as India, Brazil and South Africa — on the need to uphold a global rules-based order, said more than a dozen western officials.

rules-based "order" of letting the Israelis carry out a genocide, and even actively aiding them militarily soviet-hmm

The backlash had solidified entrenched positions in the developing world on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, officials said. They warned that this could derail future diplomatic efforts on Ukraine. “We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” said one senior G7 diplomat. “All the work we have done with the Global South [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”

lol. lmao

“What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the senior G7 diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”

well, they fucking shouldn't believe you obviously, and no-one should have believed you in the first place

Arab states, particularly Jordan and Egypt, have pressed western officials to harden their tone on protecting Gaza’s civilians. “If you describe cutting off water, food and electricity in Ukraine as a war crime, then you should say the same thing about Gaza,” said one Arab official.

“What New Delhi, Jakarta and Brasília want to see is a common position on these issues, and consistency. And if they don’t see that . . . then on the major global issues there’s a certain danger EU, G7, Nato will not be taken seriously,” said Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, former Nato secretary-general.

Russia’s proposed UN Security Council resolution garnered support from only four countries — China, the United Arab Emirates, Mozambique and Gabon — but many western diplomats worry that an amended Russian resolution could gain the nine votes required to pass. The US, UK or France might then veto it, handing Moscow a propaganda victory.

“We have to prevent Russia . . . supported by the Chinese . . . taking the initiative to use this against us,” said a senior western diplomat. “There’s a risk that at the next vote in the [UN] General Assembly on supporting Ukraine, we’ll see a big explosion in the number of abstentions.”

“Russia has a huge stake in prolonging this conflict, given the distraction value . . . and the use in shifting the global narrative,” said one western foreign minister.

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (1 children)

News really keeps translating it to "axis of resistance" to make them sound like Nazis right

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (7 children)

U.S. State Dept issues "worldwide caution" travel alert.

Biden to address the nation later today.

The head of the Israeli Ministry of Defense told the military at the border that an order to enter the Gaza Strip could “soon” follow - media.

Israel has warned 24 hospitals in Gaza to evacuate, saying they will be bombed - Gaza Ministry of Health

Israel is evacuating its diplomatic missions throughout the Middle East.

Israel announced the evacuation of its diplomats from Turkey for security reasons.

Israel is committing crimes against humanity in Gaza, there is a risk of genocide - UN experts

They turned away from the speech of the US Ambassador at the human rights meeting in Geneva. People attending the human rights summit in Geneva turned away from Washington's full support for the crimes of the Zionist regime during a speech by that country's ambassador.

The American C-17 Globemaster III transporter delivered to Israel the first batch of MDT David armored vehicles, intended to replace those lost during the battles with Hamas in the early days of the invasion.

ABC News reports Israel has received the green light to invade the Gaza Strip.

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Israel's Defense Minister Yoav Gallant announced that after the end of the conflict between Israel and the Hamas movement, Tel Aviv intends to create a "new security reality" by cutting off all supplies to the Gaza Strip.

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[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

From VC ghoul Marc Andreesen's "manifesto"

wonder-who-thats-for

Its completely deranged, just pure unadulterated Chicago School drivel: https://pmarca.substack.com/p/the-techno-optimist-manifesto

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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm not saying that phrenology is real, but sometimes I seen a screencap for a live twitch steamer talking about the conflict, and I already know what side they are taking.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Iran warned its citizens to leave Lebanon within 24 hours

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago

Footage taken from the Baptist Hospital in Gaza just 20 hours before Israel bombed it.

WOOOW what a menacing Hamas base, those dastardly children doing the best they can to survive and thrive

[–] BigBoyKarlLiebknecht@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] Melina@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh baby there’s things I wanna say

But I can’t fedposting

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