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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 148 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Or the post office. Or consumer protections. Or wage increases. Or UBI. Or housing. Or food distribution. Or infrastructure maintenance. Or nuclear. Or teacher pay.

Or anything else has that a proven track record of being beneficial to our country.

[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 71 points 4 days ago (1 children)

AI investment is expected to reach $1.5 trillion dollars in just this year alone.

Housing every single homeless person in the entirety of America would cost anywhere from $11B to $30B, per year.

That's anywhere from 50 to 136 years of housing, full paid for, for every single person currently homeless in the USA, at current market rates without any investment in affordable non-profit federal/state/city housing.

You could do so much fucking good with this money, and yet they choose to throw it all away on things that when they are successful in delivering value, deliver much less than the value that could otherwise be gained from that money, and at worst, create their own problems, like actual, direct deaths.

[–] hayvan@feddit.nl 13 points 4 days ago

But think of the resell value for ho-moewners!

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 7 points 3 days ago

Or things beneficial to the whole world.

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[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

"We don't even need all of these trains!?"

Shhhh, you're gonna love it. We put a train on your phone. Windows is now powered by trains.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

trAIn
Coincidence?

AI models are usually train ed. Even more of a coincidence?

Maybe someone mistook trains for AI.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Getting on board, but as I'm looking for my seat a giant anthropomorphic paper clip starts shoving me and shouting that I'm using the train wrong

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I love trains but the issue with them is not money, it’s NIMBYs. China can build all the railroads they want because the government can just toss people out of their homes to build the tracks. In the west we can’t do that because of property rights etc.

[–] jaek@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

With enough money you could just tunnel under/bridge over/buy up the densely populated areas

You can’t though. People have the right to refuse to sell. See the whole saga with trying to get Mr Acker (played by Barry Corbin) to sell his house in Better Call Saul. If you don’t have the legal power to force someone to sell then they can hold out as long as they want.

There’s also the issue of supply and demand. If you’ve got a ton of money and you’re willing to spend above market prices for many different properties you need to buy along a route then the market price will skyrocket as people learn and start to hold out for more and more money. The usual way developers get around this is to quietly acquire the land at market prices without drawing attention to it but that can take years and years because most properties are not up for sale at a given time. Try to make an offer to someone who isn’t actively selling and you risk them going public and exposing your whole scheme.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

Can’t spell train without AI

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 27 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Autism >9000.

(Actually autistic btw, so I can make that joke).

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Can we please give everyone Tylenol so we can get a better passenger rail network?

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 2 days ago

And we'll need it then too, with all the bone rot.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I don't think you need the disclaimer. This is Lemmy. We're all autistic here.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 11 points 3 days ago

So I'm starting to notice.

Though... we don''t all like trains. So some may not have appreciated that whimsical comment.

[–] musubibreakfast@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

No you can't, it's a spectrum. You're gatekeeping. (I'm joking)

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But it is being used for train

-ing AI models.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago

But then no one would buy cars and fuel anymore and we can not allow that. /i

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 38 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

AI trains that are never on time and derail constantly? πŸ€”

[–] evidences@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Between Amtrak and freight trains I think this is already the state of trains in the US, no need for AI.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 17 points 4 days ago

That's a different type of AI. Not Artificial Intelligence, but American Ingenuity.

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[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world 33 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

TRAiNS

Just saying

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[–] Godort@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

It would be great, but it could never happen. All the marketing of AI is around speculation of what it could do.

Investors know what a train is, what it does and how much it costs. They don't know any of those things when it comes to AI, so they're willing to spend a lot, because they were promised a lot.

[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 4 days ago (6 children)

But what about this promise makes it so uniquely seductive?

There are a million guys with ideas for cars that will go 750km on a thimble-full of Fresca, robot butlers that can't turn evil because they don't have red LEDs in the eye positions, and 200:1 data compression as long as you never have to decompress it. They must all be looking at Altman and company and asking where their bubbles.

I sadly suspect the charm is "we can sack some huge percentage of workers if it delivers"

But what about this promise makes it so uniquely seductive?

Part of it is, as you pointed out, just the elimination of costly labor. That's a capitalist's wet dream. But the main thing that makes it attractive as a slick, highly marketable investment vehicle is that AI models are inherently black boxes.

There are ways you can examine the ways they work (for example, researchers found that the parts of an LLM that "understand" one topic, like money, can also simultaneously "understand" other different, yet related things, like value, credit, etc), but we can't truly comprehend everything about them. It would be like looking at a math problem billions of equations large and assuming we could hold the whole equation perfectly in our brain and do the mental math to solve it. We can't.

That means that instead of seeing "here's our robot that is currently capable of this, but these are the components that could be upgraded/replaced, X is an issue it faces because of Y" and so on, instead you get "It's not good at this yet, but it will be if you just throw a few billion dollars more compute at it, we promise this time."

Problems are abstracted away to "something that will fix itself later," or something that "just happens, but we'll find a way to fix it", and not any kind of mechanical constraint a VC fund manager might be able to understand.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Trains and bicycle infrastructure

Holy shit

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Trains are not profitable or generate an Ai bubble of investments. Duhhhh

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[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (3 children)

My dumbass coworker said that we should use AI to click the "next" button for us on our OSHA guideline training.

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[–] darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

A total of 6,220 miles (10,010 km) of railway line were built as a result of projects authorised between 1844 and 1846β€”by comparison, the total route mileage of the modern UK railway network is around 11,000 miles (18,000 km).

Wow. Must have been nice having such a solid foundation to expand upon. Meanwhile in the US:

There is no such thing as trains. Now get back in you gas guzzler, sit in traffic for 3 hours each way on each day, consume more gasoline to enrich the corporate overlords, and run over as many kids as you can because you can't see them in your behemoth.

-The political establishment

Fuck yeah! Damn those environmental pansies! I'll even hang a ton of flags on the guzzler expressing my obnoxious political-opinion so I can own the libs. That'll teach 'em.

-The morons

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We don't need to imagine, we only need to look at China and see with our own eyes.

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