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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

South Korea, what the fuck?

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

From the article:

The #MeToo movement was the key trigger, giving rise to fiercely feminist values among young women who felt empowered to speak out against long-running injustices. That spark found especially dry tinder in South Korea, where gender inequality remains stark, and outright misogyny is common.

In the country’s 2022 presidential election, while older men and women voted in lockstep, young men swung heavily behind the right-wing People Power party, and young women backed the liberal Democratic party in almost equal and opposite numbers.

Korea’s is an extreme situation, but it serves as a warning to other countries of what can happen when young men and women part ways. Its society is riven in two. Its marriage rate has plummeted, and birth rate has fallen precipitously, dropping to 0.78 births per woman in 2022, the lowest of any country in the world.

Seven years on from the initial #MeToo explosion, the gender divergence in attitudes has become self-sustaining. Survey data show that in many countries the ideological differences now extend beyond this issue. The clear progressive-vs-conservative divide on sexual harassment appears to have caused — or at least is part of — a broader realignment of young men and women into conservative and liberal camps respectively on other issues.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 31 minutes ago)

The flaws in their culture, where they're expected to be invaded by North Korea at anytime, and nearly all the males -- even pop stars -- are also expected to do military service. Of course the men have become deeply reactionary, what with anti-communist propaganda heavily embedded throughout, and they're not happy with South Korean women being more assertive now than 50 years ago.

It's not helping that South Korea is so much of a horrifyingly thinly-disguised corporate dystopia.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago
[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

The article does not evan define what it means by «liberal» and «conservative».
Do men do not want better worker rights? Are they all turning Christian and Muslim? Or is this only related to their support of LGBT+ efforts?

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 6 hours ago

or more likely imo their inability to say what they want and have a compliant tradwife despite their shit behaviour

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah the non korea charts appear to show young men being more centrist (+0) and women being more left.

[–] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Centrism is not a fixed ideology, it is just the current status quo. Sadly, the graphics are dogshit because they don't explain what the y-axis means. Is that a value per country or should it be comparable? What is zero? A little bit of racism but worker rights?

\edited because I weirdly wrote in my native language in the middle

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I was more getting at the headline but yeah that's a larger problem with "left right" analysis in that is both a shifting target (example: in the 1900s eugenics was 'progressive' ) and its a fuzzy target where both sides might have similar policy stances in places but arrive there by very different paths (example: opposition to Israel).

[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 17 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Dumb fools who have no one decent to look up to end up blaming women for it, so move right. Women don't want anything to do with dumb fools who want to take away their rights, so move left.

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 8 hours ago

And the fertility rate collapse rolls on due to...political incompatibilty among the younger generations.

[–] olicvb@lemmy.ca 75 points 15 hours ago (18 children)

Being in this demographic, I don't get this. How is right wing even an option, how do you tell yourself you're okay with all the bullshit they're pushing. I get if you were already right-wing, chances are you'll stay like this, but how do you even go from 'everyone should have rights' to 'maybe we should cripple ourselves, the rich deserves more'.

Shit's wild

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 2 hours ago

The death of the American dream is a big one. Speaking very generally, men want a better future for themselves and are willing to follow whoever promises it, while women are being specifically targeted by conservatives an don't want anything to do with that shit. The weakness of the American left means that the average person only sees establishment centrism and far-right fascism as options.

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 hours ago

Pushing fake alpha male bullshit is my guess. See tate and the likes.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 5 hours ago

but how do you even go from ‘everyone should have rights’ to ‘maybe we should cripple ourselves, the rich deserves more’.

You compare ideal left versus bad consequences of right. They do the reverse. Both of you feel good about your choices.

Both of you don't see that it is divide and conquer and that the positions of the parties would shift if people started voting differently to allow the elite to choose their politicians.

To overcome this, you can learn to see the strong arguments of the right and the shortcomings of the left.

[–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 44 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

I spent over a decade thinking “God this sucks, but at least things will get better once the boomers die off.” The worst political blow of my life was realizing that the younger generation also lacked critical thinking skills.

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

The Boomers designed (and then aggressively defunded) the education system that these kids are being raised in, so it's not really a huge surprise that they aren't learning critical thinking.

Then combine that with the social media/advertising landscape that they're constantly exposed to, and it's really a losing battle.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

One reason why so many are turning bigots, you expressed it yourself: your refusal to consider them on your same level, as intelligent and critical thinkers as you. Somehow everyone is stupid but you (and I don't mean "you" specifically, rather everyone who approaches discourse in the same way).

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

This bias is real. Everyone thinks they're the smart one. There also do exist huge differences in intelligence.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 27 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

Millennials are apparently the first generation to move "left" as they grow older, instead of right.

There are changes. Some positive.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

That article was about Australia and even then the headline didn't support the claims. Millennials have always been like 14 points more liberal than Gen X before them, but they haven't moved more liberal over time.

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