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Google will soon start testing a new ‘IP protection’ feature for Chrome users, offering them greater control over their privacy. The tech giant the upcoming feature prevents websites from tracking users by hiding their IP address using proxy servers owned by Google.

To give you a quick recap, IP address is a unique numerical identifier that can be used to track a user’s geographical location and is used by advertisers to track a user’s browsing habits, see which websites they visit and provide personalized ads.

According to Google, the IP protection feature will be rolled out in multiple stages, with Phase 0 redirecting domains owned by Google (like Gmail) to a single proxy server. The company says the first phase will allow them to test its infrastructure and only a handful of users residing in the US will be enrolled.

Google also said that the upcoming IP protection feature will be available for users who have logged in to Chrome. To prevent misuse the tech giant will be implementing an authentication server that will set a quota for every user.

In the following phases, Google will start using a 2-hop proxy system, which essentially redirects a website’s request to a Google server that will again be redirected to an external CDN like Cloudflare.

While the IP protection feature might enhance user privacy, the tech giant has clarified that it is not a foolproof system. If a hacker is able to gain access to Google’s proxy server, they will be able to analyse all traffic passing through the network and even redirect users to malicious websites.

Since most of Google’s revenue comes from tracking users across the internet and offering them personalized ads, it will be interesting to see how the company strikes a balance between user privacy and revenue generation.

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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 134 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That will just allow google to track every website you visit.

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 109 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Both. It will prevent other sites from seeing some of your data, while giving Google more of your data. Of course Google wants to do this, it gives them a competitive edge. Smells like brewing lawsuits, though.

[–] radix@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Using one dominant position (Chrome market share) to extend into another (data brokerage) is textbook Monopoly 101.

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Yeah, we saw Microsoft do that with Windows and Internet Explorer back in the day.

[–] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nobody can track what you're looking at*!

*For free any more because now they'll have to pay us for that data which we'll have wayyyy more of."

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 94 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Google’s idea of privacy is to capture all your activity through Google’s VPN so nobody but Google’s advertisers can see it.

[–] zingo@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Looks like a great business plan to me.

Edit: Firefox is a great option for more privacy.

Librewolf is a hardened fork of Firefox, but not for everyone. Although I am very happy with it personally.

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[–] knobbysideup@lemm.ee 85 points 2 years ago

So a proxy of their own so Google can watch everything you do themselves? GTFO.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, filter all my internet browsing through google servers for ~~analysis, data harvesting and exploitation~~ "privacy"

Then again, anyone actually caring about privacy probably wouldnt be using chrome to begin with.

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Don't worry. They'll "strike a balance"

[–] RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 64 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hopefully what it does is popup a message urging users to STOP USING GOOGLE CHROME

[–] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That's pretty brilliant, actually.

I propose a nice server side open source library that will replace pages served from Google IP space with redirects to the Firefox download page. Or just a page presenting the problem and danger.

Or like an nginx plug-in. So many options.

[–] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Since most of Google’s revenue comes from tracking users across the internet and offering them personalized ads, it will be interesting to see how the company strikes a balance between user privacy and revenue generation.

Isn't it obvious? Google own's the proxies. And judging by the look of this, they are going to act as a a Man In The Middle for HTTPS, so they will be actually able to see everyone's plain text connections. This is not a privacy feature, but a privacy nightmare. Like everything else on Chrome, tbh.

Edit: I don't know if they will be breaking HTTPS or no, since I didn't see the details of how this works. But even if they don't see your plain text traffic, they are logging your every request, which is scary.

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You can't MITM HTTPS with a VPN unless the browser accepts an insecure certificate. And that can't be done without being detected; and the security community would raise seven shades of hell.

Google has actually helped build the infrastructure that (in a public, provable way that Google can't subvert) makes it impossible to get away with MITM in this manner. It's called Certificate Transparency.

Put another way: Google wants other big companies and governments to use Chrome and Android. If Google started MITMing traffic like you suggest, no corporation or government would ever touch their products again. So they've built infra that lets them prove they don't.

They could use this to get more accurate figures about the popularity of different sites or services by IP and port. But they don't need to; they have search.

[–] _s10e@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can't MITM HTTPS with a VPN unless the browser accepts an insecure certificate.

Yes, but the browser is Chrome and this is a feature built into Chrome.

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] _s10e@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I tend to agree with the trust argument. Google wants people to rely on Web technology and Google products and allowing MITM - or failing to prevent - goes against Google's interest.

I don't buy the technical argument at all. Google could terminate the TLS connection at the proxy and communicate with the browser on a proprietary encrypted channel. Chrome could easily show a green padlock item and certificate details as seen by the proxy. The whole thing could be open source and transparent. A minority of users will disable the feature; many will accept it. Corporates can be bought by allowing to opt out for 'sensitive' servers.

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

They could just rewrite Chrome to send all your passwords in clear text to Mountain View too ... but not without security people noticing. That's my point. The behavior of browsers is not secret.

[–] Knusper@feddit.de 43 points 2 years ago

Guess, AMP didn't give them enough control over servers, now they also want to capture the clients.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] aeternum@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Por que no los dos?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well that would be great if Google wasn't the main culprit trying to track me.

Is that really the best business plan they have now? Stop everyone else tracking you so their own data is worth more?

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 29 points 2 years ago

This will be great from a privacy perspective, because it will legitimize VPN endpoints.

If nothing else after your super private paranoid VPN journey, you could terminate the traffic in a Chrome proxy, and the other site wouldn't be able to discriminate against you.

[–] 0oWow@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So this is Google’s version of Microsoft tracking. Microsoft does it with Windows and Edge, Google does it with proxies. Sad.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I would wager that this is probably more of a response to iOS and Apple’s encrypted proxy “Private Relay” feature.

Google doesn’t care about Edge. If you look at the browser stats, mobile Safari is their major competitor. Especially in the states.

[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago

So instead of the websites tracking me, it would just be google that does so. With much more control and detail than ever. And then google will sell that information to those websites for even mroe profit!

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Google will soon start testing a new ‘IP protection’ feature for Chrome users, offering them greater control over their privacy. The tech giant the upcoming feature prevents websites from tracking users by hiding their IP address using proxy servers owned by Google.

Jesus fucking Christ...
I wonder how much Indianexpress gets paid for this bullshit advertisement.

[–] macallik@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

This was actually the least-biased coverage of the day:
https://www.techmeme.com/231023/p18#a231023p18

[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well we know what'll happen to this service, especially if it works. https://killedbygoogle.com/

[–] tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It gives google access to all the traffic statistics for users of chrome, not just those going via google. That's valuable marketing data. They also have made sure that nobody else can get that data - they have to buy it from google as they become the sole source of it.

That's why they want to do it.. nothing to do with 'privacy'.

[–] sic_semper_tyrannis@feddit.ch 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sounds like what Apple's been doing recently

[–] macallik@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This post seemed to put things in context a bit better as it sounds like Google's two-proxy hopping is what Apple does as well:
https://reddit.com/r/apple/comments/xo8ha0/_/iq5e40h/?context=1

The difference (AFAIK) is that Apple's business is less-centered around profiting off users' data, so they're less liable to use the data, while Google will almost certainly use the data.

[–] Zealousideal_Fox900@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

THE FUCKING IRONY

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So instead of giving random websites your general location, you give google everything you do on the web?

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Unless you take considerable steps to prevent it by avoiding and blocking anything made by google, you basically already do.

And this is a Chrome feature we are talking about. Someone who cares about privacy from Google wouldn't be using it in the first place.

[–] Haywire@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

I'm using Google's VPN now. They promised they won't look. Honestly I think a lot.more is leaked via the GBoard keyboard, but what do I know.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This would actually be good, because combined with encrypted client hello, a TLS connection to some website would only be identifiable by the IP and DNS queries. You don't have to use Google's DNS either.

So Google will basically see that you're connecting to a cloudflare hosted website or whatever the case is. Doesn't help much because they can't see encrypted data

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Googles ships the browser wich ships with the root certificates which they can update remotly as the see fit im sure u can see the issue here.

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[–] macallik@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Curious to hear more opinions. I think there are technical nuances that I don't quite understand based on reading this comment (& subsequent replies)
https://mastodon.social/@ocdtrekkie/111281971968074869

[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

It’s some high-level BS, is what it is.

A better way to protect privacy is to use a neutral, paid VPN; use Firefox with all the best blockers; and not sign into anything while doing searches.

Google is doing this so that they can see everything and so that others will have to pay them to see the everything they’ll have. Yes, it can “technically” be private from other parties, but Google’s bread and butter comes from collecting data and selling it. This is only a tool to collect even more data.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

To quote the "article":

While the IP protection feature might enhance user privacy, the tech giant has clarified that it is not a foolproof system. If a hacker is able to gain access to Google’s proxy server, they will be able to analyse all traffic passing through the network and even redirect users to malicious websites.

This means that if a hacker can do this, then obviously the same goes for Google itself. Google will analyse all your online traffic data and use it for themselves. This isn't pro privacy, it's the complete opposite.

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