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[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 295 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (17 children)

I wonder how many trillions of dollars the Trump dumpster fire will end up costing American business.

You'd think our corporate overlords would remove him.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 54 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they're working on it. He's destroying their bottom lines.

That said, if you go after the king, you'd best not miss.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 36 points 4 weeks ago

Their bottom lines aren't very important to their goal of owning everything. Money is just a vehicle for power, but once they own everything and everyone they won't need it.

[–] h54@programming.dev 23 points 4 weeks ago

The parasites are still making money. Rocking the boat would temporarily interrupt the party, they'll continue to party until they're forced to change.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 14 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The question is incomplete. They will cost trillions, but the presidency, the party fixing elections right now, will cost the country the dollar itself. They will max out borrowing, then print money to pay off the debt and de facto default. They will turn all of those dollars into very much less valuable things.

Presuming no one stops them.

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 146 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (4 children)

Good. Make it hurt.

I want to see CEOs from the sky.

[–] WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world 51 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

They would be tiny from way up there

[–] db2@lemmy.world 21 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

I like the way you think, get them to terminal velocity.

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[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 143 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

reminds me when Brazil launched their Pix payment system nationwide, which is free for individuals, and the US launched an investigation into unfair trading

potential unfair advantaging of Brazilian payment services over US competitors was cited

Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva has accused US president Donald Trump of being "bothered by Pix" because it "will put an end to credit cards"

lol get rekt

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 48 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Against what? Against consumers that don't need to pay fees? Against the Brazilian government who is behind the pix?

Poor US companies with billionaires yatches bills to be paid.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Becoming independent from the US empire‘s dollar or oil is a serious crime that gets punished with dictatorship. It‘s no coincidence the US is launching a cascade of fascist think tanks and lobby groups against Europe right now.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 122 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Hello, friends in civilized lands, especially those of you who work at financial institutions...

Some of us in the states are excited to watch you do some damage to the entrenched middlemen that have been skimming from all of us for so long. Please do consider letting us sign up for the new stuff. Our money is still worth something, for now!

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 44 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

I agree 100% but also this is like when you watch your brother punch your dad to make him stop hitting your mom, and you know you're going to get the shit kicked out of both of you later for it.

...unless one of your grabs the crowbar and goes for broke...

Hey blue states...

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[–] BranBucket@lemmy.world 28 points 4 weeks ago

Seconded.

i would gladly make the switch if for no other reason than just playing a tiny part in screwing over Visa and MasterCard.

Why? Cause fuck em! That's why!

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 89 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

come on canada start taking notes

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 17 points 4 weeks ago (16 children)

At least we have e transfers and debit unlike down south. I for one will be jumping on the first non us credit card however.

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 66 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 58 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm all for Europe doing their own thing. I'm an American and even I hate seeing the US use it's position for bully politics. No citizen of any other country should ever thing that an American company or govt will treat them with dignity or respect. Look at how we treat each other.

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 16 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

Why do Visa and MasterCard exist? The middleman that jacks up the price while offering the end user nothing? Thanks capitalism.

[–] Aeao@lemmy.world 17 points 4 weeks ago

There was a time back in the day it was useful.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 57 points 4 weeks ago

Love to see it.

Anything that diminishes Visa and MC's power is probably a good thing.

[–] dan@upvote.au 46 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (11 children)

We've had this in Australia since the 90s at least. All debit cards are dual network: They support both Visa/Mastercard, as well as the local network (called EFTPOS). EFTPOS is noticeably cheaper to process - around 0.3% fee, compared to ~1% for Visa/Mastercard debit in Australia, ~1.5% for credit, and ~3% for Visa/Mastercard in the USA. The profits stay in Australia rather than going to a US company.

That's only for debit cards, though. EFTPOS doesn't support credit cards.

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[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 43 points 4 weeks ago (11 children)

I'm glad to see Visa suffer, but I'm pretty concerned that Wero requires a proprietary phone app. There is no way to shop using Wero without this proprietary software.

[–] Scribbd@feddit.nl 30 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

It doesn't require an app. When you pay, you select your bank and it will redirect you to a page that the bank provides. My bank provides a QR-code I can scan with their banking app, but it also offers a log in form to pay.

So I guess it is based on what your bank is willing to provide.

This is based on my experience with 'iDeal' the predecessor of wero.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 19 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Is Wero OpenSource ? Between me & you, I really hope GNU-Taler gets mass adoption they are on version 1.3 I think

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[–] JovialSodium@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

For those who were a little concerned about the "breakup" phrasing in the title, I didn't see any indication in the article indicating those payment methods would stop being accepted. Just moving away from being reliant on them.

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[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

if Turkey was able to do it with Troy, why not Europe with Wero? Hope it all goes well

[–] pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 weeks ago

Interesting

Efforts are underway to expand the international e-commerce presence of TROY, which is already widely used and 100% accepted at all retail locations and e-commerce platforms across Turkey.

source Translated with translate.kagi.com

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 27 points 4 weeks ago (41 children)

Costco broke up with VISA so, it's possible. Re-establish the Templars again as the new money lenders from old.

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[–] MasterNerd@lemmy.zip 24 points 4 weeks ago (19 children)

Man I wish I lived in the EU

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[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Nice. We have JCB in Japan but I think it piggybacks off VISA/Mastercard for overseas transactions. It'd be cool if it partnered up with a European counterpart for purchases made in the EU.

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[–] evol@lemmy.today 21 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Hope they don't just end up recreating their own version of it

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 26 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] evol@lemmy.today 14 points 4 weeks ago

Let me be delusional in peace

[–] Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 weeks ago

But... But... Blackjack and hookers...

[–] skulkbane@lemmy.world 20 points 4 weeks ago

Finally someone is doing something about this. I worked in finans and people wouldn't believe the amount of money that goes to America because we use EMV and whatever the payment transaction system was called.

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 18 points 4 weeks ago

Good. I don't want those two fucking corporate assholes telling anyone where they should spend their money on and banning or restricting accounts of any NSFW artist out there while their owners are all over the Epstein files.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 16 points 4 weeks ago

Good. I hate Visa and MC

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 15 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I think the Digital Euro is going to be a better idea long term - taking off the hidden tax of payment processor fees is going to make businesses and people richer.

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[–] cman6@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I'm all for a European system like this, but the only downside I currently see is that using Wero wouldn't provide any protection in the same way that a credit card does, unless I missed that on the Wero website.

Give me the consumer protection of a credit card and I'll sign up to Wero or whoever!

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[–] LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 weeks ago (13 children)

From what I've read, it appears that it's simply one time, transactions.

Surely, they couldn't be that short sighted. This means no "saving for payment information" on your favorite online store.

Also, it seems this is heavily tied to your bank account, which kind of makes me a bit nervous. I like fintech solutions and being able to create "one time use debit cards" or debit cards with a maximum balance and at the moment, I don't understand how wero will fill this gap.

... but I really hope I'm wrong or some fintech will "step up" and make wero a legitimate replacement for visa/master card.

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[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Great news. In India we have UPI which already made Mastercard and Visa come to their knees.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 14 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Fucking MAGA and Russia are fusing the European Union. Good! As an EU citizen I fully support this type of progress.

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[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 14 points 3 weeks ago

great news
we need more alternatives to Visa and Mastercard.

[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 13 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)
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