this post was submitted on 25 Nov 2023
694 points (97.0% liked)

RPGMemes

12930 readers
496 users here now

Humor, jokes, memes about TTRPGs

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 121 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Realistically I imagine that having access to resurrection would have fairly dramatic consequences on how a society applies punishment. It'd probably be a crime of some sort to revive the executed, sorta equivalent to breaking someone out of jail, states might be more harsh with handing out death penalties when it is possible to undo them if new evidence is found, and the remains of the executed probably would be carefully stored and locked up to prevent unwanted revival and to have in case the state decides to bring someone back, assuming the body is needed for it.

Might also get things like a monarchy which kills off heirs to the throne after a certain age and stores them careful to revive when the current monarch dies or abdicates, to prevent scheming between them to increase their place on the line of succession or take over from the current ruler early, and to ensure they are young and healthy when they take the throne.

[–] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I started reading Jhereg by Steven Brust, and it takes resurrection magic into account with the world building. Part of assassination involves hiding the body until the resurrection window passes. IIRC, the legal penalties for murder are also much less severe if you just kill someone, rather than make sure they're permanently dead.

There are also "Morganti" weapons. They're pretty much the Black Blade from Elric, so they eat souls. So not only do they make resurrection impossible, but the victim is extra dead, not even existing in an afterlife. As a result, using one is a high crime, punishable by death... by Morganti blade.

[–] swordsmanluke@programming.dev 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

using one is a high crime, punishable by death... by Morganti blade.

Man, if I were a soul killing assassin, with knowledge that souls and the afterlife is real... Getting my soul dissolved vs going to my eternal reward ... sounds like a pretty good deal.

[–] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 4 points 2 years ago

Fair, I guess it depends on what the afterlife looks like in the fictional world. :P I actually didn't get that far in the series, what with real life getting in the way, but I enjoyed it and mean to return to it.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Susaga@ttrpg.network 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Death row is just instant execution, and the date you would be killed is now the last day you could be revived with common means.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If a trial is ongoing during the date you'd become unrevivable or it's considered important to extend the date for some other reason, maybe they just revive you and kill you again to reset the timer

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

maybe they just revive you and kill you again to reset the timer

The Gentle Repose industry will object...

[–] TwilightVulpine@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Gotta wonder how that goes for innocent people that decide that the afterlife is cool.

Must suck for victims of cults and devil bargains that get dragged into the hells regardless of their deeds.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 12 points 2 years ago (7 children)

In the Forgotten Realms, the Kingdom of Cormyr has strict penalties against resurrecting monarchs. The penalty is death for the resurrector, and castration + exile for the former king. And the famed War Wizards of Cormyr absolutely have the capability to enforce that law.

I'm not certain (and don't have either my notes or the novel those notes were taken from to hand), but IIRC a resurrection of someone formerly in the line of succession puts them at the end of the line, even if they were as high up as the king's eldest son prior to death.

This naturally creates an issue if the prince dies and is resurrected while a long way from the capital, and returns to the kingdom to find the king has also died while he was gone. Who died first is going to matter greatly, but might be rather difficult to determine.

[–] Archpawn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Whose idea was that law? If I were the king and someone discovered resurrection, I'd say that if I die, I get resurrected and keep my kinghood. Likewise if I conquer an area and become a king after it already exists.

Does it at least not apply to cloning? That's the only way to avoid old age as far as I know, and I can't imagine kings would be in favor of a law that requires they grow old and die.

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You forgot revival being included in the sentence, possibly multiple times over.

[–] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Imagine getting burned on the stake multiple times.

[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This has been stored away in my gm vault for demonstrating what an evil government might mete out as punishment.

PCs walk into town and there's a public execution happening, it's all horrifying screams burning flesh etc, until it finally stops and a hush falls over the gathered crowd. The silence is broken when chanting, faint at first, gradually grows louder and louder until it feels like you can hear it in your mind, just when it feels intolerable a flash emanates from the stake, and the screaming begins anew.

[–] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That would also lead to some interesting questions if you give it a divine aspect.

If it's all arcane magic, obviously sure, that all works.

But what if they need a cleric? That means there's a god out there who condones this sort of thing. And that god can do this with the souls of unbelievers... unless they prepare the condemned by making them believers, possibly through gruesome means.

Honestly it's more grimdark than I'd usually run a game, but it's entertaining to think about. :P

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 56 points 2 years ago (7 children)

The punishment is a sentence of death. Not "being killed". You are to be placed in the state of death for the crime. That's why you don't get to walk away if a lethal method fails. You can keep reviving them, but they'll be incarcerated and killed again until it sticks. And I'll put the rest of the party in contempt of court for attempting to subjorn lawful punishment.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

But reincarnation is canon in D&D so that would require hunting down that soul and repeatedly executing them for all eternity.

[–] zombiecalypse@feddit.ch 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's canon for elves, not so much for everybody else (unless you mean the spell). Though that sounds like some Mercy Killer thinking right there

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago

Isnt there a story of a woman who was hung who survived and had to be let go so they changed the wording to "hung till death" or something?

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] mandelbrotvurst@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (4 children)

choose how you die

Old age.

[–] Rednax@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sure thing. You will do so in that cage over there. To the guards: He already had his last meal.

[–] Archpawn@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wouldn't he starve to death before dying of old age?

[–] Rednax@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nobody dies of "old age". As you become older, it is becomes harder to survive various diseases or afflictions. But where do you draw the line? If someone was to weak and fragile to leave their bed, and died due to no longer getting any energie from food, is that dying of old age? And what if they are to fragile to leave their cage?

If one is allowed to set timespan for "execution" to "however long it takes me to die of old age", then I argue it is also perfectly fine to take some liberty with the definition of "die of old age".

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 15 points 2 years ago

That actually worked once, for a Jester named Triboulet who did things like slap the King's bottom and spread gossip. He chose his execution method as a joke and the King actually laughed, so he was exiled.

[–] TheGreatFox@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In earlier editions, Ghosts rapidly aged anyone they touched by draining their life force. Just saying.

[–] Archpawn@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

And now just seeing it (and failing a save) ages you.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] GTG3000@programming.dev 47 points 2 years ago

And that's how you get your whole party executed.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

One should expect that in a world where resurrection is a well known possibility, courts will take that into account. Even if it's expensive and can only be performed by a selected few, the law should make sure that one cannot escape punishment by simply having money and connections.

Then again, when you look at our world...

[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Using our world as a template, it probably would be illegal to revive a convict, but itd be an open secret that a few well placed bribes and a bit of influence is all it'd take to bend the rules

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Mango@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Oh but that's clearly the opposite of what the law is for!

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's why in my setting criminals get tossed into a kiln if they're sentenced to death without parole

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That only works if they can't be brought back with resurrection spells.

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

With a 9th level slot, sure

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Of course you let them do it. You also let the victims' family be horrified by the miscarriage of justice and make it their life's work to seek revenge.

[–] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 5 points 2 years ago

And their complete mistrust of the justice system.

Vive la revolution anyone?

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is my long standing hot take and point of contention with rules as written in conventional D&D fantasy rule sets: death, if the rules of the game were actually applied to the setting, is less about finality (except for the lifespan limitation contrivance) and more about health insurance or lack thereof. People who die that have enough money should by all means have family that pay for raises (or resurrections when the body isn't available) as a matter of course and the material consequences of that would be that premature death from violence, illness, or accident would be mostly a poor people thing. Funerals would be awkward in setting: "sorry you can't afford a rez. The divines bless the departed I guess, lol."

[–] CrushKillDestroySwag@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There's this constant tension with D&D where it wants to be medieval and it wants to have easily-reproducible magic. Follow the magic through to its logical conclusion and you get essentially modern technology with a mystical/medieval aesthetic, ignore it and you get big blatant plot holes.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There's this constant tension with D&D where it wants to be medieval and it wants to have easily-reproducible magic. Follow the magic through to its logical conclusion and you get essentially modern technology with a mystical/medieval aesthetic, ignore it and you get big blatant plot holes.

For decades, Forgotten Realms tried really had to be this "peasants have their minds blown if they see even a level one Magic-User spell being cast; this is a grounded and gritty setting sort of" pretense in the official materials, but then there's basically a magocracy running most cities (even the fucking Luskan pirates and other "savage frontier" big mean guys!) and maps full of "oh a web spell is on this window at all times" sorts of signs that maybe those peasants should be a lot more familiar with the very special very rare spellcasters that rule over them and make all the important decisions.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah, it kind of makes sense if magic is rare, difficult to obtain, but not entirely foreign. Basically a luxury good.

To use an example luxury good, we all know what a private jet is. We couldn't build one or buy one, but we know there are people who can. It'd be cool to be in one but not some unimaginable experience.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] teft@startrek.website 15 points 2 years ago

I would at least grab the body from the corpse pile later. It’s a little less suspicious. Unless there is a time crunch then the rogue might get animated instead.

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Isn't this just the Jesus strat?

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That'd be if he sentenced himself to death to appease himself for everyone else breaking the rules he wrote, then re-vivified himself.

The ol' single deity circlejerk.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Holy Trinity is just 3 demi-gods in a trenchcoat.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Gotta be able to get to the body within a minute for Revivify, right?

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Yes, although you could use Gentle Repose can look like a post death ritual and give you a ten day window.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It is totally something that a sufficiently wealthy medieval or imperial society would do to kill and revive someone as a form of punishment, or even to kill someone and allow them to be revivified as a way of letting the rich get off easy.

[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Death by russian roulette

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Rogue gets stabbed by a Red Wizard blade, made by the Red Wizards of Thay that prevents any sort of resurrection by a cleric.

load more comments
view more: next ›