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Pyrรฉnรฉes are Evenepoel's kryptonite.

I don't know but he was unwell yesterday already.

[โ€“] Deschanel2017@lemmings.world 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Cras and Evenepoel out, sitting in a car.

Skjelmose out, riding into a traffic sign.

Will Schmidt make it? He was struggling to keep wheels on the flat.

[โ€“] Deschanel2017@lemmings.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

I suppose so. The way I see it, there should be a large and long breakaway today, so anyway sprinters wishing to score points would need to get into the breakaway (and with the long flat start, they have it comparatively easy).

Well, we already got the first part wrong ๐Ÿ˜‚

No one managed to break away on the flat. They were a number of attempts, but almost everyone seemed powerless compared to the previous breakaway days.

[โ€“] Deschanel2017@lemmings.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think so, but we shall see in a few hours ๐Ÿ˜€

[โ€“] Deschanel2017@lemmings.world 1 points 5 hours ago (6 children)

I suppose so. The way I see it, there should be a large and long breakaway today, so anyway sprinters wishing to score points would need to get into the breakaway (and with the long flat start, they have it comparatively easy).

GG gaps are such that even guys ranked 10^th^ in the general classification (14 minutes behind) might already be allowed to join the breakaway and win the stage. 12^th^ is 20 minutes behind. Even Johannessen, ranked 8^th^ is more than 10 minutes behind the leader (but only 3 minutes behind the podium, though).

 

Saturday 19: 12:00โ€“12:15 โ†’ 17:05โ€“17:45

The second and last mountain stage in the Pyrรฉnรฉes. A flat start, and then a hell of 4 passes in a row with little (false) flat in between, starting with the Tourmalet and including climbing Peyresourde again from the same side (not sure Evenepoel will fancy coming back on this slope!).

Weather shall be significantly cooler than on the previous days, and it should be drizzling.

Beware: the stage starts earlier than usual (still not in the morning, though).

[โ€“] Deschanel2017@lemmings.world 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Evenepoel took a TT bike but basically never used the areobars. That's the worst possible idea: carrying those things for nothing, and spending all the time on the shitty lower bar that is only meant to be used less than 10% of the time.

Good performance by Roglitch. I am just a bit disappointed that he didn't show up wearing a floral speedo.

If Visma changes tactics from now on, it can be interesting for breakaways, as without Visma's accelerations, only UAE would be available to lead a chase and is also relatively weak (as a team). Well, โ€œinterestingโ€ on stages which have not been marked by Pogatchar, where the UAE team will concentrate its efforts...

About Evenepoel, it is a pity that other GC contenders do not bury him when they have a chance. They should know that he can be knocked out and throw the towel when he is on the ropes, but if on the contrary you give him a rest at this moment, he will come back.

[โ€“] Deschanel2017@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's a good thing for future breakaway candidates that Evenepoel managed to limit the damage and stay on the podium, not giving up on GC ๐Ÿ˜…


Coquard made it in time! He managed to break one finger of his right hand, while catching a bag before mid-course... No idea how one can hold the bar in climbs, or brake in descent like that...


Lenny Martinez lost the mountain jersey because he didn't contest the uncontested 4^th^ category of the day... (the point was taken by his teammate so that no one else could get it, but the calculation was bad).

[โ€“] Deschanel2017@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Could you rephrase, please? (Sorry, it's just that I don't quite get what you mean.)

After a bit of thinking, I reckon that it is more a case of having a grand maximum of 15 riders interested in GC and trying their best. So someone who isn't a strong rider but gives his best on a good day can relatively easily get in the top-20, sometimes top-15 when several GC riders are unwell and you had a little bit of advance thanks to a breakaway.

The same happened on the first Time Trial. There were like, what... only 20, 25 riders actually giving their best. Many openly declared it was a rest day for them...

It's starting to make me question what the point of a Grand Tour like the Tour of France is becoming, when we have a vast majority, perhaps up to 170 riders (!), which doesn't give a damn about making the best result.

It used to be that at least young riders / first-time participants would try to do their best at GC, but I am not sure that it is very common any more. Even the new guys seem to just do their semi-skilled worker task as assigned by the boss in order to get their big pay check, and no more (they might even get punished if they do more, in a few teams). When I hear more and more often from people who went to see the race on the roadside that "hey, it was cool to see XXX climbing this hard climb in wheelie, he looked fine" about riders who were dropped earlier in the race, I feel that the spirit of GTs has been turned into a joke. Until, say, 25 years ago (random number of years), the last riders really struggled, they certainly weren't going to do wheelies, they were dropped because they were weaker and exhausted. They we got the top-teams trains, with riders specialised into working hard for 20 mn and then relaxing until the finish line; and now it is general.

If it keeps deteriorating this way, some sort of a reform will become necessary. Starting with reducing delays. What does a GT mean, where is the endurance, where is the attrition, when a majority of riders only actively ride 40 km every 3^rd^ day and consider the rest as a... rest?

[โ€“] Deschanel2017@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Beside the top 2 favourites, we've witnessed today many unexpected weaknesses by climbers as soon as the slopes of the first pass began. Many of them somewhat recovered later, but still...


edit: wait, wait, wait: how did Raul Garcia Pierna (๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡ธ Arkรฉa) manage to end up in 12^th^ position (before G.Martin๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท, Jorgenson๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ and various climbers, in a bad day or not)? ๐Ÿ‘€ This seems to mean that basically only 10 riders from the peloton climbed better than him! On the Tour of Occitanie with a much weaker startlist, he was leading the GC before the first mountain stage but finished that stage after 80 riders and half an hour behind the winner... Perhaps there is a mistake in PCS classification?

 

Friday 18: 13:10 โ†’ 17:05โ€“17:30

Between the two mountain stages is a mountain Time Trial, climbing most of the road to the Peyresourde Pass, before turning towards the finish on the 15% slope of the runway of the โ€œJames Bondโ€ altiport of the Peyresourde ski resort.

I add a link to the PCS profile because the official one doesn't look like they will be climbing a mountain pass https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-france/2025/stage-13/info/profiles ๐Ÿ˜€

 

Thursday 17: 13:10โ€“13:25 โ†’ 17:30โ€“18:00

The first true mountain passes today.

The start is not as flat as often: they will use the hills of Gers instead of going along the valleys as the Tour de France always does. But just a bit: they will ride exclusively on the highway ๐Ÿ™„, so, long flat sections will still be present and the climbs will be smoother than on secondary roads; especially smooth as those hills are like factory roofs, and when going from East to West you always get the easy side.

 

Wednesday 16: 13:15โ€“13:45 โ†’ 17:05โ€“17:25

We start the short second sequence (5 days only) with a short stage around Toulouse, yet another stage designed for punchers.


Standings after the first long sequence:

General classification

  1. B. Healy ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ช EF
  2. T. Pogatchar ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฎ UAE โ€“ 29โ€ณ
  3. R. Evenepoel ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ช Soudal-QS โ€“ 1โ€ฒ29โ€ณ
  4. J. Vingegaard ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ฐ Visma โ€“ 1โ€ฒ46โ€ณ
  5. M. Jorgenson ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Visma โ€“ 2โ€ฒ06โ€ณ
  6. K. Vauquelin ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท Arkรฉa โ€“ 2โ€ฒ26โ€ณ
  7. O. Onley ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง Picnic โ€“ 3โ€ฒ24โ€ณ
  8. F. Lipowitz ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช Bora โ€“ 3โ€ฒ34โ€ณ
  9. P. Roglitch ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฎ Bora โ€“ 3โ€ฒ41โ€ณ
  10. T. Johannessen ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ด Uno-X โ€“ 5โ€ฒ03โ€ณ

Points

  1. J. Milan ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น Lidl-Trek โ€“ 227 pts
  2. T. Pogatchar ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฎ UAE โ€“ 163
  3. B. Girmay ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡ท Intermarchรฉ โ€“ 151
  4. T. Merlier ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ช Soudal-QS โ€“ 150
  5. M. Van der Poel ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ Alpecin โ€“ 128

Mountain

  1. L. Martinez ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท Barhrain โ€“ 27 pts
  2. B. Healy ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ช EF โ€“ 16
  3. M. Woods ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ IPT โ€“ 11

Teams

  1. Visma ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ
  2. UAE ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ช โ€“ 16โ€ฒ45โ€ณ
  3. Decathlon ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท โ€“ 28โ€ฒ12โ€ณ
  4. FDJ ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท โ€“ 29โ€ฒ07โ€ณ
  5. Arkรฉa ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท โ€“ 29โ€ฒ41โ€ณ
 

Monday 14: 13:10โ€“13:25 โ†’ 17:25โ€“17:55

The last stage of this long first sequence gathers et concentrates all the hills, climbs and other difficulties the previous days were lacking. There won't be a bit of flat, it goes up and down and up and down and up and...

Many climbers as well as many hard-classics specialists (ร  la Healy) will probably attempt to break away. Will Visma and UAE insist on looking for a stage win on this first mountain(-ish) stage?

 

Sunday 13: 13:10โ€“13:25 โ†’ 17:05โ€“17:30

Another flat stage for sprinters which, this time, might be disturbed by potential crosswinds/echelons.

 

Saturday 12: 13:10โ€“13:25 โ†’ 17:05โ€“17:25)

Good news for people who are working: they can spend the week-end outdoors, no need to watch the TV. In a strange move by an organiser who, consistently for over a decade, had created a stereotyped course design by placing (expected) spectacular stages on each week-end, both stages this week-end will be pure sprinter stages, as flat as possible. Considering that the opening Saturday was already a stage for sprinters, that's 3 out of 4 week-end days.

 

Friday 11: 12:10โ€“12:25 โ†’ 16:40โ€“17:05

Another stage for punchers, with the now classical ending on the circuit of Mรปr de Bretagne.

 

Thrusday 10: 12:35โ€“12:45 โ†’ 17:15โ€“17:40

It looks like another stage for punchers, but will they be stars of the punch again, or could some breakaway men with some punch (like Healy in his in-shape version) compete? Or might a few sprinters (like Groves) make it through the last climbs?

 

Wednesday 9: 13:10 โ†’ 17:45

French Caen-Caen

The first individual Time Trial. Basically all flat, it is rather long compared to many others nowadays.

Rankings:

1- Van der Poel๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ & Pogatchar๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฎ
3- Vingegaard๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ฐ at 8โ€ณ
4- Jorgenson๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ at 19โ€ณ
5- Vauquelin๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท at 26โ€ณ
6- Mas๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡ธ at 48โ€ณ
7- Onley๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง & Almeida at 55โ€ณ
9- Evenepoel๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ช at 58โ€ณ
10- Skjelmose๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ฐ at 1โ€ฒ02โ€ณ

 

Tuesday 8: 13:15โ€“13:35 โ†’ 17:20โ€“17:45

The alternation continues: this stage shall be a puncher stage.

 

Monday 7: 13:10โ€“13:25 โ†’ 17:15-17:40

Another climb of Mount Cassel, but again 30 km from the finish line. Therefore it should end up with a bunch sprint, among a bunch perhaps reduced by echelons.

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