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The EU is setting up a high-level group of political and military leaders from member states, Ukraine and the UK to speed up efforts to close Europe's defence capability gaps amid rising Russian threats.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ukraine is not going to win by invading Russia. Best case scenario Russia will leave occupied territories but will maintain weapon production capabilities their ramped up during the war. In a year or two they will restock and will be ready for another war. EU basically has to keep the war in Ukraine going until they are ready to defend themselves, no matter if Ukraine wins or looses.

And even if the war will not end for some time Russia will be able to stage smaller attacks to destabilize European markets and terrorize its citizens. That's all they need. They don't have to invade whole EU to cause serious problems.

[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ukraine doesn't have the strength to invade Russia. Also, Russia has nuclear weapons. Europe cannot allow Russia to conquer Ukraine. With the addition of Ukraine, Russia would become more powerful.

This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn't accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.

[–] Magnum 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why should they not pay any reparations? What?

[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Because Putin would never agree to any deal requiring reparations.

[–] Magnum 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh well yeah ok then lets just let it go.

Ukraine would also never accept a deal without reparations, but I guess that doesn't matter right?

[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ukraine will accept my deal. Both sides are exhausted. The problem is Putin who like Stalin doesn't care how many men he loses.

[–] Magnum 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Since Europe supplies Ukraine with weapons, Ukraine will accept the deal if Europe does.

[–] Magnum 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

So you mean Ukraine will be forced

[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 1 points 6 hours ago

Yes, if it does not go along. That's reasonable since Europe is spending money supplying weapons and in my proposal the UK and France are willing to send in troops if Putin rejects the proposal.

[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 1 points 2 days ago

Which is true.