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Western leftists often denounce all of them (Cuba, the DPRK, China, Vietnam, Laos, and the historical experiments), as well as the non-Marxist attempts at socialism like in Venezuela, despite never having achieved anything remotely close to socialism in their own countries
I'd argue that for several of the "experiences" on this list that success really depends on who you are and they aren't or weren't so great for everyone. And, certainly they all have socialist policies, but similar how it would be inaccurate to define the US as entirely capitalist, socialism isn't the only defining characteristic. China, for instance, is more strongly characterized by its fascism.
And the DPRK? By what measurement is this considered successful?
That said, I'm certainly not intimately familiar with all of them, and if socialism didn't have positive successes in the world I wouldn't support it.
How would you define it then?
I would also like to know your definition of fascism
According to those people, China is fascist because of the made-up genocide, as well as the liberals' misconception of authority. That’s enough to call China fascist in their view. I hope this person answers you because I want to ask wtf they think is the motivation for this bizarre genocide. I always wanted to question a liberal about this but I never had the opportunity.