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[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (10 children)

I'm confused at what they think good imperialism looks like. Empire by it's very nature, is a crime against humanity.

Regardless, all empires grow to be too large and unmanageable, eventually.

I think it's their perspective, of seeing how awful empire is. The death and destruction it leaves in it's wake, and every other awful thing that empires do.

Because objectively, America was the first real global hegemon, and created a brand new type of imperialism to achieve that objective. America was the best at empire.

But now that it's dying many people wrongly assume there was any other way it could have gone, that there was a malevolent external actor who actually ruined it, or that it could have been done in a more just or humane manner.

Maybe there is some truth to the latter, on the margins, but ultimately those concepts are antithetical to the concept of empire.

[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

I don't know too much, but I recall learning that the Ottoman Empire was supposedly kinda accepting of different religions and whatnot and kept the peace for a long time

Was there anything good there that we could've learned from? I'm guessing there's some bad/immoral/unhelpful stuff they did but I also can easily imagine European countries just wanted their shit and thought they deserved it for whatever reason

Edit: reading rn. Ok they definitely did some fucked up shit to their enemies...

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Sorry, meant that now deleted reply for someone else.

Two words: Armenian genocide

[–] Psychodelic@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Oh... I see. I'll keep reading

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