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[–] taanegl@lemmy.ml 46 points 7 months ago (16 children)

Americans will get a rude awakening if they think Europe will just lay down our arms because they say so.

If the orange one wins, that's a wedge into the divide between us.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 11 points 7 months ago (5 children)

That itself would be a victory. One of Trump's stated reason for wanting out of NATO is Europe wasn't doing their part - the treaty requires specific amounts of military spending and most members were below that. Now that Ukraine happened most of Europe is at least close to the treaty required levels (many are still below, but at least they are close)

Which is to say you can't lay down arms you don't have. If you want to leave America behind (which is both good and bad in different ways) you need to have something in place to handle potential attacks without America.

[–] Kaavi@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

If trump wins, then Europe needs to think Europe first, don't buy so much American military hardware, we make so much already ourselves, support that.

Then we can look at what we do in 4 years.

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