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The lock is client sided, that's the magic. You can play online just fine, I use it all the time to play multiplayer with my friends :)
They will ban your account and you will be crying because they took away all your games. Dont abuse the system is pretty generous already.
Projecting much? I've been using mods like this for a good decade. Also Valve has way bigger fish to fry with their shitty abusable shop system, all the people selling Steam market items on other websites and so on. The list is long
You know what community this is in, right? It's all about bypassing and abusing the system to get shit for free
~~Edit: Corrected some false statements on my part.~~ Edit2: Undid first edit because seems like I got fed false informations
Huh? Thats not true. Dbzero the creator of this community is pirate by principle to fuck the bad companies , not to abuse and get shit for free from companies that treat their customers okay.
Ok @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com Let's settle this debate, does the dbzer0 instance and/or the Piracy community here push the "Good Guy Valve" stance and thus consider this bad practice, or do we consider Valve to be like any other company which uses DRM in regards to this situation. That is to say it is permitted and encouraged like breaking any other DRM.
Would love to hear your thoughts on this matter.
If dn0 isn't available, another community mod or instance admin can feel free to answer this, I CCed you in the bottom of this comment. I apologize if the ping was annoying.
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I guess, do whatever fits your budget and/or conscience? I don't think we push a particular philosophy. Folks pirate for different reasons.
That makes sense. Everyone has different motives and reasons for pirating, would make sense that we wouldn't push one thing or the other like that person is suggesting. Thanks for your feedback.
Personally, I pirate just about everything but do buy what I like from indie devs. Bonus if it is on GOG.
That is also my approach
Well then sorry for spewing false nonsense. I know Lemmy will flame me for this but Valve is still a soulless corporation fucking everyone over. Just not as much as most others
You're not spewing false nonsense, that person is talking out of the ass, and trying to push their own personal opinions about piracy and DRM bypassing as if they are objective or officially sanctioned by the community moderators or the instance staff. They are not. Their opinion that we shouldn't use these tools because Valve is somehow good is just that, an opinion. Not a very correct one at that since Valve has shown they aren't good guys before like this person says.
Well, thanks for letting me know :)
Felt kinda weird, but I actually know some people think like that so it didn't feel to much off
far be it from me to defend any corporation, but doesnt this send wrong kind of a message to them? They didnt need to make family sharing, let alone remind you if you can already play a game through it when purchasing one. This isnt typical behaviour and should be allowed a little slack for it, to show other corporations that not being asshole is more profitable.
If valve goes bad then nothing is too horrible, but until that, its kind of bad form to stab a hand that offers a little kindness, even if their ultimate goal is to just make money by staying on top by having good will. I dont think we can expect to get anything better.
other corps dont seem to be getting the message that not being asshole is more profitable, but I think valve can very easily start thinking that being nice is weakness if that is exploited.
Are you full of shit? Their family sharing is the most locked down garbage there is, they limit you to families of 4 and make you wait a year before you can join another family. That's not a courtesy, that's a fake courtesy so they can say they provided something, and claim to be "good guy Valve", actually that's not true, they never claimed to be good guy Valve. It doesn't help that they made publishers able to mark games as not family share supported.
While they added so much to the Family share feature they also took away a lot and locked it down considerably. I'm not going to pretend the fancy new options and ability to add 4 accounts is an upgrade, you get locked out of it for a year if you join and leave and any publisher can refuse to participate.
Let us not pretend that Valve is somehow trying to do good, they're trying to make themselves look good while providing less, and when people point out the shortcomings they try to turn us against each other by saying it was "because of abuse", the real reason is because they don't want to give it their all.
i just dont have any faith that things can get better so i dont want them to get even worse. its better than nothing.
You're not going to stop them from getting worse, and nothing the rest of us do can either, short of overthrowing the companies, and ending capitalism. Something that ultimately isn't likely to happen any time soon. What you're forgetting here is that when I say companies use abuse as an excuse I really mean the excuse part. They'll say it's happening even if it's not significant, and they'll say it's happening even if it isn't happening at all. If they get tired of the courtesy and want to go back to making more money they'll lie and say they're ending it because of abuse and people who do blame pirates will eat that excuse up even if it's a lie and begin attacking pirates for it, like they always do. Do you see it yet?
yes, thank you for explaining it calmly
You're absolutely right in thinking that way, but this isn't the only tool of it's kind. The most popular one is GreenLuma, which has multiple thousands of users. So me making a similliar one for Linux doesn't really matter in the grand scale of things
yeah, i just wish people thought more about these things. There are consequences not just to yourself but possibly towards fellow pirates and bystanders. Personally I have benefitted from family sharing greatly, much more than from piracy as with piracy you have to accept the possibility of malware which I cant afford at the moment. I really dont want to see valve rescind it.
I really wish us as a community would stop blaming other pirates for the bad or evil decisions of companies, that applies to exploitative decisions like limitation of abilites via fake DRM (by the way, you can bypass SteamWorks DRM very VERY Easily) or when it comes to copyright trolling and takedown requests.
The truth is they would rather us blame and ultimately shoot at each other because, well I think others have said it best: "United we're strong, divided we're weak" and blaming other people for takedown requests or bad decisions from companies is exactly the kind of division they want, that benefits them. Because when we're divided or don't see them as the enemy, it's easier to pick us off and there will be no retaliation against them.
Get out of that mindset of going against other pirates, it is the corporations who screw things up, they do it of their own accord. Blaming pirates is an excuse because they're bored and want to make more money, otherwise why would they be adding ads to paid plans? Why would they be trying to sell games multiple times in a row. They don't actually care if people are nice to them, they probably see capitulating as weakness. We're suckers for playing along with the game in the first place, that's how they see it.
i'm not blaming other pirates for anything. What i'm saying is there are consequences for some things. For example, many things are not acted upon because corporations and governments arent aware of them. Or some things are just ignored because its cheaper for them to do nothing about it than act. If anything I'm putting my trust on other pirates for hoping they might consider how their actions could affect others instead of thinking only themselves or their immediate community.
Don't you see the necessity of trying to manage how corporations might respond? And i'm not saying people shouldnt be doing things out of fear but everyone should try to act smartly so we can preserve what we have. This goes beyond what i said earlier so dont hang on only to what I said. i just cant untangle some thoughts from eachother and still be able to write text that doesnt meander too much.
Companies like Valve and Nintendo are absolutely aware of piracy and exploits in their systems, to assume they are not is extremely naive, and is one of the basis for people blaming pirates. The ignorant and incorrect idea that they don't know and that piracy being popular makes them aware is the primary reason for hostility and gatekeeping in the piracy community. Ironically it actually hurts preservation efforts by making content less available to people.
That's not really a thing either, if it were they'd ignore piracy almost completely and let people just buy games as they normally do, it's cheaper and easier for them to do nothing, rather than waste money with copyright trolling. So this really isn't a good argument.
I've explained how their reactions to ""abuse"" are largely an excuse already so I'll just say this. It isn't worth it to try and play 4D chess with companies like this because at the end of the day they're cheating at it. Even if you were able to get no one to use any kind of exploit in Family sharing or similar courtesy projects these companies do to foster goodwill, you'd find that in the end they would still choose to discontinue or neuter it because of ""abuse"" and that people will be said that "people abusing it ruin it for everyone" because that fostering of goodwill does wonders fro boosting credibility and getting people to believe their greed motivated lies.
well, maybe i'm just over thinking it then
Well, kinda. But you're right, almost all of our actions come with consequences which can also affect more people than just ourself. But in this case our action or inaction doesn't change much if at all
Corporations and by extension many people will sadly do and say anything to accomplish their goals