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[–] oscillator@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Only the last 30 seconds or so are not just scratching the surface. The general idea and its click-baity way to present itself on YouTube are mainly status quo affirming, if anything. In a hyper capitalist world, the pure number of people won’t change anything. Neither good but bad. Only the means of oppression and exploitation, and how intense they are applied, changes. At its core the problem is, that people are just used to make rich people richer. And as more and more gets funneled to the top, more and more people are living more constraint lives. Opening this discussion as an actual way to solve problems is just affirming the false competition between us.

The moral imperative of less people equals better also devalues human life itself. This opens the door for problematic worldviews and hurts the optimistic community-based idea.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

I'm more concerned about a badly degrading environment that can't support our numbers. A rapidly declining population is a net good.

What population we should stabilize at is a bigger question. How many people with how much consumption, distributed how unevenly?

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