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"Yes don't vote at all to get rid of fascism"

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[–] void_turtle@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 weeks ago (21 children)

If you are confronted with two evils, thus the argument runs, it is your duty to opt for the lesser one, whereas it is irresponsible to refuse to choose altogether. … The weakness of the argument has always been that those who choose the lesser evil forget very quickly that they chose evil.

  • Hannah Arendt, "Personal Responsibility Under Dictatorship," in Responsibility and Judgment (2003)

It's very interesting that those who screamed that we had to choose the lesser of two evils in 2020, thereby admitting to the evil of the Democrats, immediately shut up about this evil as soon as Biden took office. Now that the greater evil has taken power, you never talk about actually fighting it, you just spend your time bashing people with a conscience.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

Now that the greater evil has taken power, you never talk about actually fighting it

We did fight it, and won, in 2020. In 2024 a few people stopped fighting, so we lost. And now the people who were complaining about Biden being evil are being deported for speaking their mind.

[–] void_turtle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

This reply is a perfect example of the disconnect between liberals and leftists. The democrats did not meaningfully fight fascism in 2020-2024! As I've said elsewhere, fighting fascism effectively would have entailed hanging Trump after J6. Instead they allowed Trump to get away with a coup attempt. This allowed the fascists to iteratively test coup strategies, and they might have found the correct one this time around.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

fighting fascism effectively would have entailed hanging Trump after J6.

And how would that happen? After all, the Supreme Court gave him immunity, and all Democrats controlled was the presidency. So you're saying Joe Biden should've told the Supreme Court and every other court to suck it, and used I assume the military to arrest and execute Trump while skipping due process?

I don't think that's fighting fascism. That's implementing it.

What needed to happen was for Trump to not win a second time. Had he died at home peacefully we wouldn't be in the shit right now, and we wouldn't have even needed to do the fascism ourselves to stop it. People just needed to fucking stop the fascist from winning the election.

[–] void_turtle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And how would that happen?

Uhhh antifascists drag him out of whatever hole he tries to hide in and hang him from a lamppost? The Mussolini Special, if you will.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I mean it's easy to say these were the good guys and they were killing the bad guys so it was great. But look at it without that context and it's pretty hard to justify. Sure, if Mussolini would've been put on trial the result would've been the same. But his mistress?

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