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If I dont think people should be able to stay here illegally, but I dont think its right to deport them or make them citizens, then what's the solution? I can't tell if people here are simply arguing the system should be left as it was before trump and ICE caused all this or if there is a goal to work towards.
Why shouldn't they be allowed to be citizens? They already live here. They have jobs and pay taxes. They have lives here
Why is it they can't live here, or even be citizens? They're already here, the "right way" is a bureaucratic maze to justify the life you're already living.
At the very least, they should get resident status here if they've been here more than a year. Why not?
The reality is, they're part of our society already. The only reason to deny them status is to make them even more exploitable
Is that simply an argument for open borders?
Sort of. But it's not that simple is it?
It is if thats your position. I dont quite agree with open borders but I dont have great counter arguments either. Still trying to figure this one out. Why are you for open borders? How would you deal with exceptional situations that push the limits of the idea?
But I didn't say anything about the border.
Just that if they've made it across and started a life here, eventually we have to acknowledge they live here. Simple as that
What problems could there possibly be with that? They still have to follow the law, they still have to pay taxes
After a point, let's say a year and a day to match historical precedent, they should be able to go to a government office with pay stubs or whatever, and we formally acknowledge that they live here and haven't caused any serious problems in doing so
They should also be able to prove this in immigration court to block a deportation, whether or not they've filled out paperwork
It's just reality over paperwork.