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“Whether you choose violence or not, violence is coming to you. You either fight back or you die," Elon Musk told the large crowds at Saturday's “Unite the Kingdom” rally.

More than 100,000 people descended on Britain’s capital on Saturday for one of the country’s largest far-right rallies in decades.

The “Unite the Kingdom” rally was organized by Tommy Robinson, a convicted fraudster with a violent criminal record, and attended by billionaire Elon Musk via video link. Amid a sea of flag-waving and soccer-style chanting from large crowds that exceeded expectations, violent clashes with police led to dozens of arrests.

It came amid a surge of nationalism in the U.K., with a far-right party topping the polls, and the murder of American conservative activist Charlie Kirk — an assassination Robinson used to mobilize support in the run-up to the event.

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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

That's just not true. They are radicalized by lies, propaganda and the hate spread by right wing grifters.

[–] petrjanda@gonzo.markets -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

This is not a chicken and egg problem. Extremists are a result of society's ailments, not the other way around. . I'll give you a few examples from the 20th century.

  • Hitler - became leader of Germany because of the impact WW1 had on German society
  • Al Queda/ISIS - got into position of power due to the suppression of moderate leaders by authoritarian regimes ie. Taliban.
  • IRA - the discrimination of Irish Catholics by the British-protestant colonialist.
  • Khmer Rouge - got into power due to Vietnam war bombing of Cambodia.
  • Kokutai - the perceived betrayal by the west after WW1 (yes Japan fought against Germany in WW1), lead to the rise of extremist ideologies which supplanted Japan's desire to fight against the West.
[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

got into position of power due to the suppression of moderate leaders by authoritarian regimes ie. Taliban

The Taliban came long after Al-Qaida and had very similar ideology. They were organised and funded by the Pakistani security service, the IIS. The original Taliban groups were Pakistani seminary students harassing the less backward elements of Pakistani society. The movement was later spread to Afghanistan. And the Taliban were allied with Al-Qaida, never attempted to suppress them. Some other Middle Eastern governments tried to suppress them (Saddam's Iraq, successfully; Egypt's corrupt military junta, far less so). The Taliban hosted Al-Qaida fighters and training camps, and elements of the Pakistani military provided Bin Laden with safe haven on a military base.

Al-Qaida started as a Wahhabi-based xenophobic movement to purge Saudi Arabia of Western influence. The Wahhabi movement itself was a fanatical Sunni movement founded over 200 years ago with the intent to exterminate non-Sunni Muslims and non-Muslims. The Saudi and Qatari royal families are Wahhabi. The former from a more virulent faction than the latter.

Anyway, that's just one of your bullet points dismantled. In general, the idea that every group of extremists was somehow inevitably caused by some kind of social upheaval or injustice is simplistic and has no predictive value.

[–] petrjanda@gonzo.markets 1 points 2 weeks ago

Furthermore, while not every extremist group formed because of society ailments it is** a well known factor recognised by scholars*.

There is robust evidence that radicalisation is a social process and that identity is a key factor in why individuals become involved in violent movements. In conflicts involving violent extremism (as opposed to terrorism directed against the West), socio-economic discrimination and marginalisation do help to explain why extremist groups are able to recruit support in large numbers (Allan, Glazzard, et Al. 2015)

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