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"Liberal" and "libertarian" both derive from liber "free, unrestricted, unimpeded; unbridled, unchecked, licentious." In much of Europe today, "liberal" is associated with free markets, which is associated with conservatism. It can be very confusing, and so I've stopped using the term "liberal" as the general term.
As a technical term, when you're talking among educated people, you can use "liberal," but for a general non-technical sense, I've started using "progressive" to describe myself lately. Another good word is "left" or "left wing", but I think progressive catches the essence of the idea better.
I think unrestricted freedom is sort of a nutty idea, and so the original sense of the root word matches the nutty libertarians better, anyways.
Not ‘round these-here parts. People get really mad at “liberals”. Which I find ridiculous, but then I’m a libcuck Dem apologist genosider. Or so I've been told.
By russian-sponsored trolls you ask? Nnnnno?
Liberalism is a specific ideology, and it's the dominant one in the world today. People around here have very good and often well-articulated reasons for disliking liberalism.
disliking things like rules-based world order and voting?
What reasons would illiberal ideologies have to be against that? Nationalism? Opportunistic cronyism?
"Rules-based" world order in liberalism tends to end up with some countries breaking the rules and facing no consequences (see the unilateral veto power of the permanent members of the UN security council).
Liberalism also endorses things like private property, which allows an ownership class that extracts value from others without creating it.