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[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (29 children)

Nowhere in the Holy Bible is it implied God is anything other than a dude. It's always father this and king that when referring to God.

Unless you mean Joseph is non-binary? In which case, again, no. He's just a cuckold who didn't ever consummate his marriage to Mary, and they both died as virgins. Which is honestly the most unbelievable part of the whole story.

[–] s@piefed.world 44 points 2 days ago (13 children)

God is three entities: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. That sounds like an extension of the nonbinarism of Two Spirit to me.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)
  • The Father, God, is referred to as "He" consistently thousands of times in modern translations of the Bible, and he's either literally or metaphorically "the Father".
  • The Son, Jesus, is unambiguously male in his earthly incarnation, and he's either literally or metaphorically "the Son".
  • The Holy Spirit is referred to as masculine in English translations of the Bible, while Greek translations treat the Spirit more like an object-force-of-nature type whose pronouns change at any time to coincide with the type of object describing it (e.g. "comforter" is masculine, but "spirit" is neutral) and Hebrew just sticks with the feminine pronoun of the noun "spirit".

If you read a modern English version of the Bible, you have three entities in one which all are all consistently identified as masculine. Trying to treat God as non-binary with regard to modern English translations is more mental gymnastics than arguing why Kris Dreemurr isn't non-binary.

Given this is all fiction, it's safe to say that death of the author is in play here, namely that 99.99% of the modern Christians who'd get offended at non-binary people existing would also not think of God as non-binary even after pondering on it, because their culture and holy book categorically treat God as masculine.

[–] s@piefed.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don’t dispute the male attributes. The superposition of gendered entities is what someone could argue makes God not just “a male” but rather “multiple males in one”. Is there any history of people with dissociative identity disorder (DID) identifying as some level of not-straight on the basis of their DID? Are there any other analogous cases that have been linked to identifying as not one of the two main genders due to a level of plurality?

We do not have DID, but we are plural. Some of us are female, some male, some nonbinary.

Each of us identifies as our own respective gender. But what gender is a community? We submit that even groups consisting of a single gender are not considered to have a group gender. A sorority's membership may be entirely comprised of women, but is the sorority itself considered female?

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Ignoring for a second all the controversy around the term "two-spirit", even if we say that two-spirit is the extremely Western concept – detached from indigenous culture – of a male and female in the same body (or even just generically two genders in one body), that still doesn't apply, because all of the entities are male. In set theory, if you keep adding the same element to the set over and over, the set doesn't change.

Moreover, even if there were the kind of history you're talking about, I'm not sure why dissociative identity disorder is being brought up here, because that categorically isn't how God as multiple entities works within the fiction of the Bible. We see God and Jesus talking to each other back and forth multiple times, and that's not how DID works. DID – a controversial diagnosis – isn't a sitcom where two flatmates hang out inside your mind and banter. You're dissociating so badly that you lose continuity, but God is clearly able to work as all three just fine at the same time.

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