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I've been thinking about this for a while, and the longer I've sat with it the more uncomfortable I feel about the lyrics in Thirteenth Step.

I've loved the music on the album ever since I first heard it, and A Perfect Circle have been one of my favourite bands since I was a teenager. But the older I get, the more I hear a cruelty and vindictiveness in Maynard's lyrics on this album.

In the context of the album's theme of addiction and recovery, the lyrics of songs like The Outsider don't sit comfortably with me. It's something I've noticed more and more with Maynard's lyrics in general: they're often about his disappointment in other people, his judgement of them. On an album about addiction and recovery, there doesn't feel like there's much empathy or compassion.

I think I'm falling out of love with Thirteenth Step.

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[โ€“] redhorsejacket@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

First of all, there's a danger in assuming that everything an artist writes is meant to represent their thoughts on a topic. Just because it's a song doesnt change the fact that the narrative content is fictional (or "inspired by true events").

Even situating the point of view as first person doesn't mean anything, necessarily, no more so than a stand-up comic prefacing a ludicrous story with "This is true!". Is it? Maybe, maybe not. The authenticity of whether it reflects the author's lived experience or not is irrelevant in the face of "Is the joke funny?". Point of view is, at the end of the day, a storytelling device.

With The Outsider, I think there are lots of different interpretations. In my personal headcanon, I've always thought that the song's title refers to the narrator, not the character suffering from suicidal depression. I think the lyrics imply this situation has been going on for a long time, and the narrator is at the limit of their empathy. They care about the depressed individual, and they've tried in the past to help (in so far as they understand it), but, because they are an Outsider to that headspace, they literally cannot understand the victim's plight.

Perhaps you have a bottomless supply of empathy and you are able to ALWAYS react in a sensitive and caring why when someone trauma dumps on you (whether you consented to it or not). If so, congratulations, and please tell me your secrets. However, there's a reason that advice for helping people with their emotional issues almost always starts with taking stock of your own emotional needs first. Sometimes, no matter what lovely and benevolent people we are, we just aren't equipped to deal with someone else's cross to bear.

Now, I hope that the outcome of that situation is something other than "if you're gonna kill yourself, stop talking about it and do it somewhere else". Even still though, is that hugely different in spirit than people saying suicidal individuals shouldn't traumatized other people with their actions? Obviously not a 1:1 comparison here, but think of any instance of suicide by cop or a mass shooter that blows their brains out at the end of their spree. I guarantee there will be people sadly wondering why they couldn't have just driven off into the woods and blown their brains out like a civilized person.

Additionally, because this is a 3 minute song, we don't know if this is the final resolution of the relationship, or if it's a momentary lapse in the narrator's empathy. Have you ever snapped at someone and said or did something you didn't mean? Would you feel it was fair that single outburst became your entire public persona forever more? Probably not. I don't know if that's how Maynard intended it, but, frankly, I don't give a shit. This interpretation is truthful (and meaningful) to me. Maynard's interpretation, if he has one, is interesting information, but almost completely irrelevant to my enjoyment of the song.

To get out ahead of it, this depends on the outburst, before someone comes in here and misconstrues this to mean I'm implying I think Mel Gibson or Laura Schlesinger deserves another chance or something equally dumb.

Finally, for the sake of completeness, I could also make an argument that "The Outsider" refers to the suicidal individual who exists outside of the paradigm that the narrator has about life, and I could also argue that Maynard is the outsider, simply observing a plausible relationship dynamic from afar. Finally, sometimes I wonder if "The Outsider" is a voice in the depressed individual's head, essentially beating themselves up for wanting to die but not having the "courage" to pull the trigger, as it were. Frankly, that degree of ambiguity is likely intentional. As folks have mentioned, Maynard has more than a little troll in him. This is, after all, the guy who sings about overanalysis being the death of intuition and the spirit, while also structuring the number of syllables he is singing per phrase to match the Fibonacci sequence.

Sorry, wrote a lot, but The Outsider is a particularly meaningful song to me, and the apparent callousness of its lyrics is a subject I've ruminated on before.

[โ€“] gid@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for this response, it was thought-provoking and I wanted to take the time to reply to you properly.

First, I'm glad The Outsider holds meaning for you. My discomfort with the song, and the album in general, is down to the way those words resonate with me, and that's based on my experiences. If you've been in a place where you've experienced someone you care about self-destructing, then I'm sorry you went through that. It's horrible. Processing that is very personal and there isn't a wrong way to do it.

I picked The Outsider as an example in my original post because it's a clear representation of the theme of disdain I feel is present in the entire album. Again, I understand this is a concept album and I shouldn't jump to the conclusion that this represents Maynard's real opinions, but I have a hard time separating him as a person from the narrator in this album because this isn't the only place Maynard has expressed such opinions. I remember interviews he gave around the time Thirteenth Step came out where he went into the meaning behind some of the songs, and he was very direct about them being about his disappointment in other people. Whether the subjects of these songs are real or imagined, I don't know, but either way it doesn't sit right with me.

It's not just on this album: a lot of Maynard's lyrics have similar themes. For example, I love the music in Passive, but the lyrics again are written from the perspective of someone angry and frustrated that other people don't meet up to their standards. Aenema is pretty misanthropic in general. In Hooker With a Penis he pushes back against his critics with "all you know about me is what I sold you", but all he's selling me is a contrarian provocateur. Whether there's a deeper self-reflection hidden between the lines of his words almost feels irrelevant: I'm believing who he's showing me, and it puts me off.

Thank you for your response. I know it's difficult to convey tone, so I hope my wall of text didn't come off as lecturing, as it was not my intent. As you say, it's all in the eye (or ear, in this case) of the audience, and any interpretation can be as personally truthful as any other. I'm just offering some different ways the song has spoken to me over the past few years as an alternative.

For what it's worth, my interpretation is not born out of my lived experience matching the narrator's, but rather that self-destructive individual. Had a crash out some years ago which resulted in a period of hospitalization, and this song was an expression of what I feared my support system were thinking when I leaned on them.

Ultimately though, if Maynard's misanthropy (and for all my talk about separating art and artist, I'll agree that homie DEFINITELY has some misanthropic sentiment) is not something you can get over, I totally get it. As I alluded to earlier, I think Mel Gibson is a great actor and director. I also will never support another project he's involved in because of who he has revealed himself to be. J.k. Rowling is another that falls in this camp.

For me though, Maynard being a mean lil troll doesn't raise the same amount of bile in my throat as folks of that ilk. I remind myself that I've written lots of things that don't reflect the totality of my perspective on a given subject, including juvenalia which boils down to "everyone is an asshole except me". A lot of them are journal entries, some of them are exercises in fiction. In either case, I was trying to exorcise myself of thoughts and feelings I wasn't happy having rattle around my head, so I got them out onto paper where they could wither in the light.

Again, not saying that this is at all what is happening with Maynard. I'm clearly living in relative ignorance of his intent and the wider context surrounding his lyrics, and I absolutely don't mean any of this to say "I'm right and you're wrong".