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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 weeks ago (26 children)

I'm currently migrating to Proton mail. It's comlicated because I have nearly 25 years of gmail use, using it for everything requiring an email address.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I migrated off of Proton Mail, they have no way to access your calendar from outside Proton's apps and web services, you can't access Proton Drive on Linux (and the workarounds never worked for me), and you need to keep running their decryptor tool if you want to use an email client other than their mail client.

Email is inherently insecure, zero knowledge encryption is worth nothing when 99% of your emails are being sent and received in plaintext. I'm on Fastmail now.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Please explain to me how Fastmail is more secure if you can easily set up any client without encryption? Or am I missing something? And when Fastmail sends or receives email, isn't it also sent in plain text because of the SMTP protocol anyway?

[–] PlexSheep 2 points 2 weeks ago

IMAP and SMTP, the protocols mainly used for emails besides whatever weird shit Microsoft is doing, nowadays all have variants going through a TLS encrypted session like HTTPS.

That doesn't change the fact that email is not up to the task of modern secure communication (TLS is not end to end encryption for example, and smime and pgp are super user unfriendly and have their own weirdnesses), but makes it better at least.

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