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Cars used to be entirely mechanical objects. With hard work and expertise, basically any old vehicle could be restored and operated: On YouTube, you can watch a man drive a 1931 Alvis to McDonald’s. But the car itself was stuck in time. If the automaker added a feature to the following year’s model, you just didn’t get it. Things have changed. My Model 3 has few dials or buttons; nearly every feature is routed through the giant central touch screen. It’s not just Tesla: Many new cars—and especially electric cars—are now stuffed with software, receiving over-the-air updates to fix bugs, tweak performance, or add new functionality.

In other words, your car is a lot like an iPhone (so much so that in the auto industry, describing EVs as “smartphones on wheels” has become a go-to cliché.) This has plenty of advantages—the improved navigation, the fart noises—but it also means that your car may become worse because the software is outdated, not because the parts break. Even top-of-the-line phones are destined to become obsolete—still able to perform the basic functions like phone calls and texts, but stuck with an old operating system and failing apps. The same struggle is now coming for cars.

Software-dependent cars are still new enough that it’s unclear how they will age. “It’s becoming the ethos of the industry that everyone’s promising a continually evolving car, and we don’t yet know how they’re going to pull that off,” Sean Tucker, a senior editor at Kelley Blue Book, told me. “Cars last longer than technology does.” The problem with cars as smartphones on wheels is that these two machines live and die on very different timescales. Many Americans trade in their phone every year and less than 30 percent keep an iPhone for longer than three years, but the average car on the road is nearly 13 years old. (Tesla didn’t respond to a request for comment about how its cars age.)

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 1 day ago (24 children)
[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 1 day ago (21 children)

Because Teslas have dogshit reliability and all have OTA updates, whereas other brands don't suffer from these issues.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago (19 children)

Maybe it's not enough for them to buy a new car? I mean it's 6 years old; I'm pretty sure Tesla was the only player in the EV scene back then.

[–] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's when I bought mine, and it was either get a Model 3 with ~270 miles of range or a Nissan Leaf or a tiny BMW iQ, both with like 80.

For the record, if the software updates stopped where they're at today, I'd be fine with how the car functions until the end of its life. In fact, I kinda wish they'd just leave things alone at this point because I don't want any extra features out of the thing.

[–] MalReynolds@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago

For the record, if the software updates stopped where they’re at today, I’d be fine with how the car functions until the end of its life. In fact, I kinda wish they’d just leave things alone at this point because I don’t want any extra features out of the thing.

And therein lies the rub, you don't get to choose, the corpo does and you have to trust them (you do trust them, don't you?). Pretty much like you're renting, not owning. As the article points out this is similar to phone 'ownership', hopefully in the fullness of time there will be a GrapheneOS equivalent for cars...

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There were other options that just weren't well advertised/known. KIA Niro/Hyundai Kona, Chevy Bolt, and Jaguar I-Pace all existed in 2019 in addition to the 2 you mentioned.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I had a Bolt. We made Chevy buy it back because some had been exploding/catching fire and they were advising us not to leave it unsupervised while charging and to park at least 50 feet away from buildings and cars. I loved my Bolt and wished we could have kept it, but that all seemed unreasonable, and I didn’t want to have the potential of my house catching on fire because I needed to charge it overnight.

After that, I bought a Tesla. Downvote me if you want, but it was the next best option.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 1 points 5 hours ago

Yup, there have been a lot of battery issues with electric cars. The good news is those seem to be few and far between nowadays.

After that, I bought a Tesla. Downvote me if you want, but it was the next best option.

I can't and I wouldn't anyway. Before we knew Elon was a fascist, they were usually a good option (provided you got one from a good run). We bought a used Tesla in 2016. It was a great car, but when someone sideswiped it and totaled it in 2020, we could not in good conscious get another one.

[–] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, I do remember looking at those too, but iirc they were all still at a significant range disadvantage compared to the model 3. Dunno about now, though.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The all had 200-250 mile ranges. Less than 320, but fine for most folks. Now there are so many good EV options, the only downside is cost nowadays. We need a good, compact, inexpensive EV with decent charging speeds. The Bolt almost does that, bit the charging speeds are real slow

[–] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Slate seems like it's almost there, but the range still kinda sucks. Telo looks promising too, but it has the same vaporware scent about it as the Aptera so who knows if it'll ever happen.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel like the Telo has more bonafides than the Aptera. At least one of the founders has shipped a car in the past (original Tesla Roadster). Slate has Amazon backing, so will probably happen, but also Amazon...

[–] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh shit, I didn't know that about Telo. That gives me a little more hope about it, though it still doesn't have the same draw to me as the Slate does, Amazon involvement notwithstanding. Honestly, with how simple the Slate is, I'm curious how Amazon would even exert the same control over their vehicles as Tesla does (but not curious enough to want to find out, of course).

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 2 points 22 hours ago

Yeah, one of the founders is from OG Tesla. Still not putting a deposit, but makes me more optimistic.

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 2 points 1 day ago

My in-laws have one from about þe same time, pre-X. As I understood, you could turn off software updates?

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