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[–] SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 65 points 2 years ago (105 children)

A senior member of Hamas has hailed the systematic slaughter of civilians in Israel

When asked whether this meant the complete annihilation of Israel, Hamas replied: “Yes, of course.”

who still thinks hamas are the good guys?

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (33 children)

Who still thinks any state is the good guys? Hamas and Israel are both enemies of the people.

The only way to cut through the propagandistic lies of these groups is to point out that neither truly represents the people they say they do.

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I mean, Hamas took power by killing Palestinian civilians. They don’t represent anyone and they openly say they will martyr civilians.

The Palestinian National Authority (Fatah) was the democratically elected government of Palestine before 2007. Hamas staged a coup and executed Fatah officials, which is why Gaza and the West Bank are separate entities today.

Hamas is as much a state as Al-Qaeda. They’re a terrorist group that seized power by way of murder and have openly declared they intend to use their citizens as shields and martyrs.

They’re not a state. They’re a terror cell that deserves to be eliminated. Unfortunately their own admitted tactics of using civilians as shields means that civilians will be killed.

[–] probablyaCat@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is a lie. Hamas won the vote. The EU, UN, and the Carter Center all called those elections free and fair. If anything, Hamas was an underdog given that Israel, in collaboration with Fatah, kept arresting the politicians in Hamas as they defined Hamas a terrorist organization. Fatah and Israel wanted to delay the elections, but with the encouragement of the US (GWB in particular who felt Hamas would definitely not win), they decided to keep them as they were. Stop making things up to fit your narrative. Hamas still typically wins the popular vote in polling done since then. You have a fucking computer. Just google it. It's all there in black and white.

I mean they did have conflicts with Fatah. But the biggest fights weren't until after they won the election.

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)

The elections in 2006 is not when Hamas took power. Their coup in 2007 was.

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