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I don't, that's my point.
"Blue no matter who" always ends up with candidates more conservative than we want.
So even like in 2020 where we all and together and get a Dem president, House, and Senate, nothing gets done.
Because too many Dem incumbents just don't agree with the party platform.
The only time the party pushes is when progressives try to have standards.
The only result is the party keeps getting more and more conservative. It's not a valid long term strategy
I think you've misunderstood me. Last time the Democrats lost an election, you got Joe Biden as the next candidate. Why would making the Dems lose this election produce a more progressive candidate?
Because, they’re saying, WINNING sure didn’t do progressives any favors.
FWIW, we ran Hillary Clinton as a moderate candidate and lost.
If neither winning nor losing does progressives any favours, then there's no issue with trying to make the least bad realistic option win
Only if you never think more than an election ahead.
If you don't, and always blindly vote D just because it's not R...
How is that different than what lead the Republican party to trump?
Why do you think it'll be different this time?
So how many elections are you expecting that the Dems must lose in order to start fielding candidates you like, or for another party that does so to take their place? It doesn't matter how many they lose if it never moves the needle your way, so you'll have to be quite persuasive that this will achieve something that's worth capitulating to the American right for a decade or longer.
Because of the actual outcomes during the four years between each election and the fact that you can protest and write and whatever else you want for improvement during that time. Your vote does have to be your entire political engagement.
Does this suck? Yes. Does the Republicans winning do literally anything to fix any of it? No. For that you need the Overton window to shift so far that the Republican party dies and the new two-party system has the Dems on the right, or you need a new electoral system. Neither of these is accomplished by the Dems losing.
I don't think it'll be different this time because the candidates have already been picked. We already both know what the options are. Unfortunately, "no different" is a lot better than the other option. That's why I'm advocating voting for damage control on the day. Vote against the worst option, because that's how FPTP works.
Mate, I'm one person. Not millions.
It's not about my personal morals and how much genocide I'm ok supporting.
It's a lot easier to change Biden's mind about how he governs in 6 months than change millions of people's minds about how he governs, right?
Unless you think Biden just won't listen to his constituents even if it means letting trump back into the White House.
Do you think he doesn't give that much of a fuck about America?
Why be mad at a social media account, when you're apparently not mad at Biden? The one individual with the power to easily prevent trump from winning.
All he has to do, is listen to his voters.
If he can't do that now, why does he deserve either of our votes?
You seem a little daft. So I'll help explain in easier language.
Trump, bad.
Biden, bad.
If Biden win, u get 4 years to protest and complain about policy until your voice is maybe heard, and either way then see new candidate options.
If Trump win, u no get chance for new candidate after 4 years, cuz he's a fucking psychopath and won't give up power. And solidification of more and more power will entail recruitment of more and more zealots which is a path he has shown he is willing to take.
It will show other power hungry nutjobs coming up that the Trump method works and to get even more radical in future campaigns/movements.
Then the future zealot-Maga-NeoNazi mob will take complete control as they'll be planted in all key aspects of government and military and police (already there most likely) and they will normalize hate and start rounding up all the types of humans they fear/dislike or that don't agree with their views, and they'll commit fucking genocide on your home fucking soil.
So if you vote for Biden, there is genocide but you're not complicit simply because you pay taxes.
And if you don't vote Biden, there is even more genocide, but possibly to people you know and love, and you are complicit because you failed to act, and you can kindly fuck off with that dumbshittery.
If a weatherman says we're getting two feet of snow, do you get mad at them because the snow would negatively effect people's lives?
Do you spend time and energy trying to convince them the bad thing they're predicting is a bad thing?
You think them not talking about it means it won't happen?
I just don't understand what leads people to thinking like you, but I guess someone had to burn all the medicine women for witchcraft. Just didn't expect this to make such a comeback.
Lol what a response...
Weather? Burning witches? Tha fuck are you on about?
None of that nonsense is a worry.
Didn't quite grasp it, eh?
Kinda makes you look like you have an agenda..
Aw well, I tried.
So your hope is that by threatening to not vote, you and likeminded voters will get Biden to change his positions sufficiently for you to vote for him before the election? That's not what you said in your first comment, and you being only one person is equally applicable to this or to what I said.
Who said I'm not pissed at Biden? But I'm not talking to Biden right now.
If you are stating you won't vote for him, you're not his voter.
It doesn't matter if he deserves it or not, unfortunately. I've already put forward my position that in FPTP, you effectively do not vote for someone, you vote against someone.
Man...
If the weather channel says a tornado is coming and to go to your basement, do you ask why they're threatening you with a tornado?
So this is an unstoppable mass movement with no actual intentions and you're just being swept along?
I mean yeah.
Millions and millions of traditionally Dem voters aren't going to vote for Biden due to his words and actions.
You can't convince them all to hold their nose, Biden isn't even trying to, he's just chasing donations from the wealthy even tho his ad spending with the money isn't moving the needle.
Trying to convince everyone to shut up and vote for Biden is the same as yelling at a hurricane
But if you join the hurricane, it might be strong enough to move Biden far enough left he can squeak out a victory against the worst president in American history.
So you’re saying both sides are the same? Just wanted to clarify.