Most of the people supporting the western 'moral cause' for Ukraine, have 'zero' understanding of the actual issue. They only know what the MSM in this country tells them. Until that changes, there's no hope for a productive conversation. They think the conflict began at the moment the Russian incursion happened. If you tell them to justify Ukraine's ignoring of the Minsk Accords, they have no answer and won't reply, because they don't know what it is. And in the midst of all that, Ukraine was shelling and murdering the Russian speaking population in Donbass and Luhansk, all the while Russia was waiting for them to implement the agreement and cease it's military actions. You heard 'zip' about it from the western media. And you hear 'zip' about it from the people raking Russia over the coals in this thread.

Russia essentially wanted the Ukraine to become a State to Russia, similar to what Japan's relationship to the US became, after World War 2. And it was 'signed off on', by Ukraine and other European states. The US encouraged Ukraine to ignore it and thumb it's nose at Russia, while they militarily armed Ukraine, flowing in weapons, and building it up to the point where it could then safely violate the terms agreed upon and become yet another US client state, on Russia's doorstep. The good old, 'hold the baby in your arms and then hit your ex-husband while he attacks back, trying to rescue the situation', and then call him the villain who's abusing the baby.