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I recently moved to California. Before i moved, people asked me "why are you moving there, its so bad?". Now that I'm here, i understand it less. The state is beautiful. There is so much to do.

I know the cost of living is high, and people think the gun control laws are ridiculous (I actually think they are reasonable, for the most part). There is a guy I work with here that says "the policies are dumb" but can't give me a solid answer on what is so bad about it.

So, what is it that California does (policy-wise) that people hate so much?

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[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I dislike California because their life revolves around freeways and traffic. I also dislike the aggressive homeless population. I’m in nyc and everyone takes the train/ no need to be in traffic, and while there is homelessness they don’t bother you/follow you.

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago

Extreme cost of living.

Whatever else is good or bad about the place doesn't matter very much if you can't afford to live there.

[–] PandaBearGreen@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You know why you never see elephants hiding in trees? Cause they're so fucking good.

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Pretty broadly speaking, it's a population center and they'll always have a problem with those. There's more to it than that, but fact of the matter is even if the shit they tend to latch on to wasn't a thing they'd just find something else.

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

It depends on your stage of life, financial situation, priorities, politics, etc. CA does have more laws than most places. Whether any of those really affect you is up to you to determine. Recommend looking at the CA constitution and frankly just seeing what comes up. Pertinent laws will tend to find you. If you really want talk to others that live nearby you as they likely represent your demographic and may be aware of things likely to impact you.

[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

California is a garden of Eden
A paradise to live in or see
But believe it or not, you won't find it so hot
If you ain't got the do re mi

Woody Guthrie, “Do Re Mi”

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[–] halferect@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

I love California but I dislike LA.

[–] sirdrakexviii@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago

I think it's just all politics at this point, that and prob the cost of living being so high too.

But from what I can tell it's a great place to be. Not without flaws but just like any other state

[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

California is an absolutely beautiful state. Its natural beauty and geography are spectacular.

But it's crazy expensive, Californians are annoying and elitist, and has big social problems in its cities.

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[–] techwooded@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Someone who lives in California not originally from here chiming in. For me personally, I hate it because of the weather. I live in SoCal, which people claim to have good weather, but to me it’s hell. It never rains, the sun is always shining, and it’s always hot while most apartments don’t have AC. This may sound lovely to you, in which case more power to you. I’m the kind of person where the sun saps all energy out of my body and I prefer being cold to warm, so this sucks. Other main downside is housing cost. My 650 square foot one bed apartment in suburban LA costs over $2000 a month and it’s cheap for the size and area. Maybe Northern California is nicer, but SoCal ain’t it

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[–] bigschnitz@aussie.zone 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Taxes are super high. I'd be big mad if I was Californian, they get very little investment back from federal taxes (they are effectively subsidizing the poorly run states) and have to make up the shortfall at the state level.

[–] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago

Food isn't taxed at all. We have great social programs. We have beautiful parks. We have tons of public land dedicated to being places where people can go and hang out and enjoy nature. We have absolutely tons of activities that cost $0 to enjoy. You couldn't fucking pay me to live in another state.

[–] vertigo3pc@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I got a check earlier this year for $1k because of their budget surplus...

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[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Car-centric, sprawling concrete jungles define most of California. I hate those things thus I hate California. Additionally their water management policies are using a resource that should be reserved for the citizens of the state are instead diverted to grow non-native crops for a handful of rich fuckers.

California is what late-stage Capitalism looks like.

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

There's a shitty part of California that runs from SoCal upward through the Central Valley toward the Bay Area. While the lattermost seems nicer the former parts are just the same with less surveillance tech and with the masks off.

[–] Tygr@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

As a mortgage lender that helps clients relocate out of California, you cannot blanket statement the entire state this way.

You can live in the slums, rampant homelessness or live in paradise. You can live in suburban desert hellscape or on an absolutely gorgeous vineyard.

People relocate out of there all the time but some do move back, realizing they hated the area of California but not the entire state.

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[–] Geostorm@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Instead of helping Britney Spears, guardianships increased without a fiduciary duty lawyer for "gravely disabled" or predicted to get worse. Homeless people need shelter, not chemical restraint.

[–] ReallyKinda@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

I think one reason is the news portrayal like others mentioned—though this often goes two-ways—ask a native Californian what they think the South or Midwest are like and you’ll often get some crazy off base responses.

I think another big piece is that CA policies have a disproportionately large impact on everyone else’s policies (they share this characteristic with NY to some extent). CA has the 3rd largest economy in the world and therefore companies often have to adhere to CA policies in order to keep from losing an extremely significant market share. For example, CA committing to no more gas cars by X date immediately made gas vehicles an obsolete product for the manufacturers’ bottom line.

[–] chickenwing@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Well from my perspective it's not that people hate California it's that they hate the influx of Californians in their state. Tons of tech people moved from San Francisco to Austin and now it's near unrecognizable. Austin a long time ago used to be a small city with a lot of charm now it's the tenth largest city in the US. It's not just Californians moving their but they are the biggest group and they are pretty loud about where they come from.

Everything gets more expensive, they bring some of their failed policies with them, and there are a lot of weird ideas that come out of California. I don't mean your generic lefty policies that may upset some old timers in Texas but like the weird transhumanism shit that tech people are obsessed with. It feels like a cult, another thing California is known for, and it's basically the opposite vibe of what Austin used to be. I personally have met a lot of Californians I really like but it's not hard to see the culture clash. Also when I say California I really mean San Francisco and LA, not like Sacramento or the other parts of California. It's the tech people, the Hollywood people, and the groupies they aquire. They leave California due to costs and it's somewhat chaotic nature but then start to transform their new home into California.

If you've ever met old timers in Texas you know great don't like change. They talk about building an overpass as a sign of the apocalypse. So that's where I assume most of the hate comes from.

[–] tko@tkohhh.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

they bring some of their failed policies with them

Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?

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