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[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.fmhy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That link is dead for me. I wonder what constitutes "removable". I'd honestly be fine if it still required a spludger, but it required them to make it easily accessable and not loaded down with glue once you're in. And make OEM batteries available for sale.

[–] Evono@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

i would be fine if it needed some tool to stay water tight or whatever atleast make it easily exchangeable doesnt need to be the old removeable plastic backs.

[–] Noreia@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Good, it's a small victory but one step closer to a society that doesn't create waste just to buy the next new shiny toy. Products should be build to last, be easily repairable and create as little waste as possible (which isn't possible in a system that demands unlimited growth over anything else). If we want to have a somewhat ok climate in the future, just focusing on electric vehicles (which are doing the whole subscription to access your hardware fully, not easily repairable bs as well) isn't gonna cut it.

[–] C8H10N4O2@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I might be in the minority here, but I feel this is actually a step back.

In the 5 years I've had my phone, there have been two times I've ever really needed to pull the battery, and still the hard reset sequence still eventually worked in both cases.

Anyone remember how some phones had issues with the battery door becoming somewhat loose over time, causing any slight bump to turn the phone off? Many have already commented on how they explode into multiple pieces when dropped. Traditionally the battery covers are incredibly flimsy plastic, even on flagship devices (cough Samsung). Waterproofing is a common concern too, however it actually can be done with a removable battery (e.g. Galaxy S5).

What really needed to be addressed here was how cumbersome it is to get into these devices to replace the battery, and how often people are price gouged to replace them. I believe this could have been better written to allow for either a removable battery, or a standardized and affordable built-in battery replacement process.

[–] homesnatch@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This will come into play at roughly the same time that solid state batteries will make battery replacement mostly irrelevant. We'll see some terrible designs to accommodate battery replacements that, for the most part, won't be used.

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[–] Rosriv@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

Amen! Now let's see how Apple gets around that one too. :)

[–] Zed@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I love reading such headlines, really glad there's an entity that can enforce such rules on manufacturers, at least when they're looking after us

[–] hyorvenn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Fairphone 3 user here. My main reason to choose this phone a few years ago was because the battery could easily be replaced. Too many phones are perfectly functional but the battery is half dead. Another boon of non-glued batteries : You can carry two (or more) batteries to easily switch when the first one is KO. Meaning no need for portable charger and useless cables in your pocket. Phone at 10% ? Just change it, bam 100% in a second. Easy as that.

I'll probably not be the target of such regulations because I wouldn't choose an anti-consumer phone brand anyway, but at least it's going in the right direction.

[–] sorenant@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Another win for Europe

[–] FluffyAlpaca@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I'm curious to see what this will mean for phone designs & dust/waterproof ratings. Either way, it only takes effect in 2027 so that should give some time for innovation rather than falling back on plastic clamshells of yore.

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[–] Brkdncr@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (7 children)

How is this a win? My non-Android device is at 89% health after 5 years. I’m not going to replace the battery, I’m going to replace the device.

I’d prefer that we get paid $20 to recycle an old phone so that they actually get recycled.

[–] guy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Because you are an outlier when it comes to most people's experience of battery life in their phones.

The recycling scheme is a good idea too, we should do both.

Reducing is just as important as recycling. And reducing the amount of people buying new phones because their battery dies is a win.

Also there are these well-used battery recycling boxes in plenty shops where I'm from. If people could remove their phone battery, they might still throw away their phone, as there's not as obvious, easy and visible a recycling system for those yet, but perhaps some might at least take out the battery first and chuck it in the recycling bin next time they go to shop.

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

How is it a loss for you in any way? Just because the battery can be replaced more easily doesn't mean you have to replace it if you're at 89% after 5 years. I use my phone a lot and burn through batteries in 18-24 months. This shouldn't have any effect on people who only have light usage like you but benefit the rest of us tremendously.

It'd be like only driving 1,000 miles a year and saying there's no need to make oil changes easier to accomplish. Some of use have to change it orders of magnitude more frequently than you and would appreciate not having to disassemble the whole front of our cars to do it.

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[–] killall-q@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Because not everyone has the same anecdotal experience as you?

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[–] NathanielWyvern@mastodon.social 5 points 2 years ago

@Brkdncr @Roman0 Why not both?

Easily replaceable for those who burn through capacity through heavy use. Which would also make recycling easier funny enough.

And pushing to make recycling encouraged. These aren't opposing ideas.

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[–] Chagrins@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Really hoping this happens. I want to be able to replace the battery on my phone after a year because the performance on the battery degraded by nearly half.

That being said, I'm also willing to bet some time shortly after this goes into affect, the cost of mobile service (at least in the US) will go up another $10/$15 a month, and phones will increase in cost by another $100-$200. Not because materials cost more, or designs change. But to preemptively screw people over.

[–] Evono@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

on the battery degraded by nearly half.

One year nearly half ? wtf , even my 24/7 power used phone lost approx only 17% on battery health and its a Poco x3 pro

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[–] drmoodmood@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Finally! Now to also force phonemakers to universally provide bootloader unlocks so we can put our own ROMs on our devices once the software support ends.

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