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On one hand (heh) there's apparently evidence to suggest that handwriting activates parts of the brain which aren't typically activated by just typing something out. I can see how that would be the case and why it could sometimes be useful.

On the other, the idea of carrying a little notebook around to jot things down when I have a phone in my pocket, or using a fountain pen for longform text (trust me it would actually help you avoid hand cramps, aside from being less wasteful) all comes across as... intentionally inefficient? I struggle to see intentional inefficiency as anything but pretension. Like it's all just fetishizing living a more analogue life.

It actually makes the techbro in me think there's something to companies like Supernote and Boox and ReMarkable making e-ink tables that exist mainly so that what you do choose to write by hand can be digitized, stored and made searchable.

I suppose that's actually exactly why people tend to journal in physical notebooks? Because what you put down in there will just disappear unless you crack open that notebook again.

...Meanwhile I'm pretty sure a lot of people feel that writing things by hand gets their creative juices flowing. That's sort of interesting to me, because personally, by the time I'm finished writing a single sentence whatever I was thinking about is halfway gone. If I don't get it down real quick my thoughts will drift to something else entirely, so when I had to handwrite essays in primary school I'd get completely stuck in a way I never do just typing things.

TL;DR someone who's bad at empathy talks about handwriting as if everyone else experiences the world exactly the same way, please knock him off of his stupid pedestal

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[–] kestrel7@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I journal and take notes regularly by hand and have written novel-length manuscripts in the last couple of years by hand. I prefer using fountain pens or else my hand cramps up. I don't know if it's better for my memory, but I prefer it for other reasons.

My process is to write a first draft by hand to minimize digital distractions. I take my notebook and pen somewhere without internet, and leave my laptop and phone behind. Then, I type it up, and this is a sort of "natural" 2nd draft process, as I obviously make smaller or larger edits as I'm re-reading my own work.

My mom still has notebooks from when she was in high school. Digital amnesia means I don't have any of my high school and college homework anymore. I developed this system because realized I was putting a lot of effort into managing digital backups of all of my drafts and shit when simple folders and stacks of paper would do fine. But really, I mostly do it because I have ADHD, and using computers to write longform drafts is difficult. Typewriters and notebooks that only do one thing make things more straightforward for me. So, I get why most people don't approach things this way in 2023.

[–] razorwiregoatlick@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I am a software engineer and I hand write all the time. To me it is better if what I am writing is a work in progress. Typing is too constricting and makes me feel like I can’t make mistakes. I like to write it out. Cross or scribble things out etc. until it is the way I want it. Then I type it out.

[–] cthonctic@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

So, I really hate taking a laptop into meeting rooms so unless I know I'll have to share my screen I (used to) take an A4 sized paper notebook and a pen to jot down notes.

Recently I upgraded to a ReMarkable 2 which, while certainly not inexpensive, has so been worth it for me.

I do type pretty efficiently on one of my mechanical keyboards, but putting my thoughts into handwriting is a different experience entirely and I always want to retain this option especially for personal one-on-ones.

[–] Rassilon@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

While I still hold a great appreciation for writing with pen and paper, I find I rarely ever do so anymore. I used to always carry a notepad and pen for writing self reminders, notes, or whatever came to mind. Writing by hand most definitely helps me to remember the content.

As time went on though, after numerous different schools putting me in typing classes (due to telling counselors my interest in computers, moving schools yearly, and a lack of CS curriculum), typing became the quickest means of writing for me.

I have taken to using a middle ground of sorts in that I use a stylus with my Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3 for my note taking. It still helps me somewhat to better remember the contents, and the unfolded dimensions (5.04 x 6.23 in.) are not dissimilar to using a small notepad.

[–] rem26_art@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I think its nice to handwrite things in some contexts. For notes i need to be searchable or to find again easily, I usually type them out in Obsidian. It's nice and organized and can link stuff together.

But for like, more emotional stuff or like, trying to organize my brain, its nicer to handwrite things. It feels more... permanent in a way? Like I've made this tangible thing, rather than just stored bits on a piece of silicon. I tend to remember handwritten stuff slightly better than digital stuff. There's something nice about writing out your problems in a notebook, closing it, and then just never really going over them again.

[–] moon_matter@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I will second the bit about fountain pens helping with hand cramps/writing fatigue and being less wasteful than other writing methods. Same with the advent of e-ink screens helping with the often cited example of digitized info contributing to eye strain.

I know this is a personal issue of mine, but all the benefits of physical notebooks are cancelled out by the fact that they are more likely to get lost. I've actually had co-workers steal lined paper, binders and notebooks off my desk at work. It was a huge hassle so I'm back to all digital now.

[–] ApollosArrow@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I’ve read that writing by hand helps commit things to memory better (not sure if that’s true or not). My wife and I will write each other cards by hand for holidays, and it’s very apparent to me how much I’ve learned to rely on auto correct for many things at this point. I’ve noticed how much less my brain is working when I am just texting. As others noted it’s also useful in certain fields to carry a notebook around for meetings or events rather than relying on a phone or a laptop. I’ve also noticed the longer I go without writing, the worse my penmanship gets.

[–] buckykat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

It's simply untenable if I expect anyone else to read it. When I was in school I even had a 504 plan to avoid handwriting assignments and used an alphasmart for a while.

[–] Leafeytea@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't see choosing to handwrite inefficient or pretentious. I see it as something familiar that I enjoy because I have had a journal since my teens.

As a trained professional working with older adults, I also know that keeping up writing can help promote brain health. There has been plenty of research published on this, including that regular practice of reading and writing can help staff off onset of of dementia in older adults, so it's basically brain exercise.

That said, I write grants for work, narratives for our contracts and so forth, so I also appreciate that when under a time crunch I can bang out something fast on my keyboard after I have spent a little time drafting out initial ideas.

At the end of the day, I think a lot of this just depends on your views about writing in general (regardless of the tools you use); some people hate it no matter what they have to do on. Meanwhile, there are old gits like me that you have pry out of bookstores with a crowbar because after my scanning of the SciFi section, I get busy having too much fun snooping through the isles displaying leather journals and pots of fountain pen ink in goofy colours, and packs of stationary with cute designs. 😂

Pen or keyboard, it's all good.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago
[–] tables@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I like writing things by hand. I don't do it because of the supposed brain activation, but I genuinely like the feeling of writing. That's most of it, honestly.

On a more practical note, I find that I'd rather have more organized information in electronic format, but writing by hand is much simpler for quick notes - so I'll usually jot down stuff I need to last a few days, meeting notes and such, and I might type those things out in a tidier manner if I feel like the information warrants it, if it's something I might need to come back to in a few months or years.

While yes, I technically do type faster than I write by hand, when I'm taking notes of something, I usually mix sentences with quick sketches and diagrams - and I can do that much faster by hand than using some sketching software.

[–] Toadvark@mander.xyz 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

For me it's mostly the ease of it. I'm the type to get very bogged down by (perceived) steps, hurdles, and visual overstimulation. An illustration:

Notebook

  • Find pen or pencil
  • Find the page you need
  • Go

Tablet/Etc

  • Is it charged
  • Specific pen only
  • Keyboard needs pairing
  • Is keyboard charged
  • It wants to update now, awesome
  • Turn it on, see ten unrelated apps --> forget what I'm doing
  • App randomly decides it needs internet access
  • Probably have to deal with syncing now
  • etc etc
  • (another 'me' problem: I get really hung up on trying to format things digitally, which takes time way from what I'm supposed to be doing)

Now, there are certainly benefits to writing things out digitally, especially when searchability is key. Any important info in any of my booklets that I might need to find later on gets typed up or entered into a spreadsheet where applicable. Not the most efficient way to do things, I suppose. 😅

In general though: I just like being able to look down and see a thing I've written, rather than needing to wake up a device, open a program, or otherwise fiddle with a screen, especially while multitasking.

[–] RichByy@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

I just like it. Writing with a fountain pen is much more HANDS ON than writing something down on a phone or (bad) laptop keyboards. Especially if your pen is higher quality. Although a nice mechanical keyboard can be quite nice (I like tactiles a lot).

The practical thing also is: If you keep your notes well organized, it can actually be much more accessible. I dunno, I have spent my entire life with PCs, but they feel "cluttered" so quickly and require so many revisions of organisation.

Having both is useful though, so I keep physical versions and scan them later to also have them digitally available AND not having to use those evil, evil printers who want me to buy more ink...

[–] oyenyaaow@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

I'm learning another language, and writing by hand feels like the fastest way things get remembered in my mind. It makes the learning more...visceral, I am more engaged in things that happen instead of an audience passively absorbing and experiencing. And i think that that translates to other experiences because i love handwriting, i love the act of putting words onto paper and other medium.

Someone who engages the world another way - when your information is tied to the flow of characters instead of shaping the characters themselves, of course sees it differently. A visual artist who rarely types and puts down thought in sketches instead of words - will struggle to type their vision too when they would rather put down a series of images and just a minimum of words .

[–] Kaldo@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

I loved writing on actual paper when I was younger. I miss it but the truth is that its simply inconvenient when we all have auto syncing smartphones and pcs with ability to edit and copy paste and all of that.

I only bring out paper when I need to visualize something complex and it's usually a mess by the time I'm done, and indecipherable by the next week.

[–] Nyoelle@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Honestly, depends. I find both non-hand writing, and hand-writing to be important.

Generally, I prefer to write.. with keyboard. And, plaintext org via org-roam files with git are really pleasant to use, and organize.

But math? Or some uni stuff? Writing is a bit more.. fitting. Buut, plain paper won't work for me.

Here, e-ink devices come into the play. E.g Onyx Tab Ultra. Really comfy to make notes on. And then later, I can export to pdf, and sync them across devices via syncthing.

[–] warhammercasey@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Definitely typing but whenever I have to take notes for a class I need to hand write it since typing equations is awful in comparison

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