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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 122 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Bills must be paid by Wednesday, or else.

... or else what, exactly? There seems to be a whole lot of sternly worded judicial opinions, but can they actually do anything to enforce said decisions??

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 65 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Anyone involved with the legal response or not releasing these funds can be arrested and held in contempt of court. This would obviously apply to Trump lackeys, and not himself. Do this a couple dozen times, and his entire cabinet has nobody to enforce their bullshit.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago

I'll believe it when one of them is in jail. More likely Trump would order US Marshalls not to arrest anyone working for the white house, and fire anyone that tried.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (4 children)

The local police who are deferential to the judicial. That's how and why they can arrest people. The executive does not decide this.

Am I living in a universe where people just aren't tought these things in school?

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 months ago

Welcome to the constitutional sherrifs movement where they are the law. The only law. Where they chose what is legal and right. They are above any federal law, system, etc.

Also, see: JD Vance saying trump can ignore the courts. And the numerous 'signs your gov is authoritarian/fascist' lists which include stacking/ignoring courts because, who is going to arrest the president? Especially when the supremacists/nationalists have been infiltrating police forces for well over a decade.

The way things ought are no longer applicable.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I don't know what universe you're living in, but it isn't the normal one because you're wrong.

The local police are part of the executive branch of the local government. Not judicial.

That fundamental lack of understanding goes a long way to explain why you keep delusionally insisting that judges can enforce the law.

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

"In a room sit three great men, a king, a priest, and a rich man with his gold. Between them stands a sellsword, a little man of common birth and no great mind. Each of the great ones bids him slay the other two. 'Do it,' says the king, 'for I am your lawful ruler.' 'Do it,' says the priest, 'for I command you in the names of the gods.' 'Do it,' says the rich man, 'and all this gold shall be yours.' So tell me—who lives and who dies?"

It sadly all comes down to who the police (and somewhere down the line the military) believe is right.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

So the money in almost every case then.

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What’s the answer to your riddle? I’m curious

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's not mine, it's a quote from the book "A Clash of Kings" and subsequently the Game of Thrones TV show.

Anyway the answer is just what I wrote. Power resides where men believe it resides. In the riddle, it's entirely up to the sellsword which kind of power they value most.

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How the right will interpret this;

JUDGES HAVE TOO MUCH POWER! REWRITE THE CONSTITUTION!

[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I'm ok with that, they are full of shit anyways, so no matter what they say it will still be shit

[–] EndOfLine@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Arrested by whom? Isn't it the executive branch that controls the enforcement of laws and judicial decisions?

Serious question. What power does the judiciary have to enforce their rulings.

[–] Natanael 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Judges can deputize if necessary

[–] EndOfLine@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

Thank you for the response.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 36 points 4 months ago

Or else he will be asked again with a slightly more impatient tone.

[–] holdstrong@lemm.ee 34 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Start holding people in contempt of court I suppose. Not Trump but some of his lackeys. The real fireworks will be when Trump tells the U.S. Marshals to not enforce the order.

[–] Supervivens@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Why would he need to do this? He’d just pardon them at that point and there’s literally no repercussions for him or anyone associated besides the almost impossibility of him being impeached. You can thank the Supreme Court for that.

[–] wagesj45@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Can you be pardoned for contempt of court?

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

For criminal contempt, but not civil.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Assuming the rule of law is respected.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 3 points 4 months ago

Yeeep.

For anyone wondering how this all works, this article lays it out: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/02/trump-news-are-we-in-dictatorship-yet.html

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Time to bring back the medieval Writ of Outlawry. Literally make them outside the protection of the law. The lawless do not deserve the protection of the law.

[–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Right, why the fuck do laws matter anymore? I won't be bound by them if a rapist felon traitor nazi won't be.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s time for Judge Dredd then.

Dunno, haven’t seen the movie.

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Judges of Dredd's universe were judge, jury, and executioner. We may need them to have that power to combat the current regime, but once they have that there's no going back.

[–] Num10ck@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

at some point its not about going back, its finding a way through.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago

You'd be smart not to piss off the government's HOA. Those fines increase each day until morale is improved.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

So they're putting him in prison?