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Saw people talking in comments at several places now, expressing animosity towards them to say the least, always presented as something that everyone seems to know about.

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[–] Contramuffin@lemmy.world 79 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Many people have a misunderstanding of what the Stop Killing Games movement is about. It's about trying to get governments to pass a law that requires game developers to have a plan in place for when they shut down the servers of online games. In the current gaming landscape, games can be taken offline at any moment for any reason. And when that happens, you're shit out of luck. The Stop Killing Games movement believes that if/when this happens, the publisher needs to have a plan in place to ensure that those games can continue to be played. This can take on many forms: modifying the game to not require an online connection, or releasing the server binaries so that players can host their own custom servers, or something of that nature. Worst comes worst, if none of this is possible, then the movement demands that it's made clear in the game's advertisement that you could lose game functionality when the servers shut down. Essentially, the laws surrounding game licenses are vague, and the movement wants a clarification on what buyers are entitled to when they buy a game.

The primary reason why many people have a misunderstanding of the movement is because a large YouTuber named PirateSoftware made 2 videos where he outright lied about what the movement was about and trashed it. He also made multiple statements on his streams where he purportedly "disproved" the movement, where he continued to lie about the movement and trashed it. His videos and statements were the most commonly viewed coverage on the movement, and this disinformation supposedly severely hampered the momentum of the movement, such that even now, many people still believe that the movement is about forcing publishers to keep their servers online indefinitely (it's not).

PirateSoftware was a former developer at Blizzard and was making an online game at the time, so some people speculate that the reason he lied about the movement was because he had a vested interest in keeping the current vagueness of the laws. As more and more people attempted to call him out on his disinformation, he doubled down and refused to admit that he gave any sort of incorrect information, even when the information is provably incorrect.

Apparently, PirateSoftware has a history of this sort of behavior and has gotten himself into some previous scandals due to his seeming inability to admit that he was wrong at all. This has led otherwise minor, forgettable mistakes to balloon into giant controversies.

Taken together with this recent controversy with Stop Killing Games, his reputation has taken a significant nosedive and many people now believe that he's a narcissist who is willing to take down the movement for the sole purpose that he wants to be seen as the smartest guy in the room.

[–] Ludrol@szmer.info 9 points 9 hours ago

From an interview on HealthyGamerGG with Thor. I think he actually has inability to admit to any wrongdoing. He always needs to be right and will double down. He displays very narcissistic behaviour that keeps fueling the fire of hate.

[–] hitwright@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago

Small note: For the end of life. They don't have to release all server binaries. Just the API documentation and some binaries (without the libraries that they can't share) would be more than enough. (Basically extremely minimal additional work for the developer)

Alternatively, there should be visible disclaimer next to the price (We promise the game is playable until xxx). So the consumer would be informed that what they are "buying" is temporary.

Leaving this here for other people who maybe could get a bad impression about putting extra work for developers that could discriminate against indies.

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What did you really expect him to do, dude? He had no mana. What was he supposed to do?

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

dont make me make a new Out Of The Loop question

[–] Psaldorn@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

*casts spell on the boss that the boss is immune to

Runs away

I have no mana

*casts a shield spell that helps nobody, not even himself, because he ran away"

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Thank you for the answer! I just came back home to all the answers, yours strikes me as the best summary of the situation. I had signed the petition myself a while ago, but after that, never looked into further coverage, so all this whizzed right past me. Seems like, no matter if he genuinely misunderstood it or maliciously misrepresented it - he handled the situation pretty horribly overall. Explains the hate I have been seeing.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 19 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

For anyone who didn't know, Thor's (the guy himself who is behind PirateSoftware) claim to fame is that his dad worked at Blizzard.

His dad is also the real world inspiration behind the South Park WoW guy:

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 15 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

To loosely quote Thor

"No that character wasn't inspired by my dad. That is my dad. Like that's his apartment."

Edit: source

[–] underscores@lemmy.zip 0 points 25 minutes ago

is there confirmation on this? given how much Pirat has been caught lying is rather hear it from someone else.

South Park WoW guy got laid at least once. I guess there's hope for everyone.

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 80 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The Stop Killing games campaign is an EU petition to prevent game developers from making games that people bought unplayable, for example by turning off the servers of always-online games.

Pirate Software is a youtuber and game developer who made several videos criticizing the campaign. He thinks it's unreasonable to expect game developers to do this and also asserts that people who purchase games don't own them. His videos supposedly had a measurable negative impact on the petition, which at this point looks like it might fail. Combined with the fact that he often acted quite rude and arrogant towards supporters of the campaign, he is now quite unpopular among them.

Beyond rude and arrogant IMO. He misunderstood and misrepresented the SKG campaign and, when called out on this, refused to engage or discuss it further.

[–] Yermaw@lemm.ee 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

and also asserts that people who purchase games don't own them

Isn't that a large part of what the petition is aiming for though?

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To be more clear, PirateSoftware thinks the status quo of only owning a license for a game, which can be revoked at any time, is a good thing that should be kept.

Stop Killing Games would give consumers more rights, which would bring the purchase of a digital game license closer to actual ownership.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

PirateSoftware thinks the status quo of only owning a license for a game, which can be revoked at any time, is a good thing that should be kept.

What kind of head injury does one need to sustain to come up with that conclusion

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 hours ago

The head injury called "privilege".

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz -3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

To believe that? Or to believe that PirateSoftware believes that. Because he doesn't, and the people saying he does are being dishonest and haven't actually seen his criticisms.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

From what I've read, his criticisms aren't valid because this is a petition to legislate, not legislation. He seems to think the wording of the petition is important when it isn't, the number of signatures it gets is

Best case scenario he's got no idea what he's talking about, worst case, he's deliberately muddying the water.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The petition has specific wording about how the legislation would work. He was critical not because he didn't believe in the cause, but because he felt it wasn't well thought out. The reality is, art takes many forms, and sometimes you can only go see a play on the one night it's performed if you happen to buy a ticket to see it, and that's how the creator intended it. Art is not a one-size-fits-all field, and a half-baked piece of legislation would make innovative experiences in game design illegal.

He also pointed out the very real potential attack vector for malicious actors to effectively DOS small games at launch, ruining the experience for other players, causing the game to fail and be forced to release a means for customers to self host, only for the malicious actor to then make a profit on rehosting.

Everyone involvrd wants to get rid of scummy business practices, but this initiative is short sighted in how it describes the behaviour it doesn't like.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

The wording of the petition has zero impact on any legislation that may follow.

A petition's purpose is literally only to alert the governing body that enough people give a shit about this that they should have a discussion about it. It has no additional power beyond that.

That discussion might end up going nowhere, it might end up convincing some politicians that maybe we need some legislation in this area. What they will then do, is talk to everyone they can about coming up with legislation that's practical and works for everyone involved.

The wording of the petition does not matter, because it has no bearing on any subsequent action whatsoever. All a petition can do is force a conversation between politicians.

Your comment is a fantastic example of how he has muddied the waters, none of what you have said is relevant at all to the petition process.

We are not a direct democracy, legislators write legislation. Petitioners don't.

All this guy is doing is silencing people.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Again, the petition was short sighted in how it described the behavior it didn't like. Legislators will write legislation to address the issue identified by the petition. If the petition is identifying the wrong issue, then we will end up with the wrong legislation. We need to have discussion as a community to agree on the exact behaviour we don't like. I think that's important, you can disagree.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That's not at all how any of this works.

The petition only makes legislators aware of the issue

They will then come to their own conclusions, through outreach and research.

There is no way in hell that any legislator just takes the words of a petition without thought or any further research.

Petitions are about numbers, not words.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 1 points 51 minutes ago

I feel like we're going in circles now, so no reason to continue. I agree that that is how it should work. I maintain that it's important the petition states the actual issue and not a percieved one. Agree to disagree.

[–] osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 40 points 1 day ago

The combination of 'industry plant' and 'blizzard nepobaby' are consistent accusations since his videos

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[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 9 points 23 hours ago

Saw people talking in comments at several places now, expressing animosity towards them to say the least, always presented as something that everyone seems to know about.

tl;dr It's YouTuber drama. Consider yourself lucky you're not so terminally online that you understand it.

Piratesoftware is a Twitch steamer/YouTuber who speaks his mind quite bluntly and doesn't back down after doing so. Because of that, he's often involved in streamer drama and has a lot of people who dislike him. Haters love to reference these past dramas whenever his name is brought up.

10 months ago, he was involved in drama when he was asked his opinion on the Stop Killing Games EU citizens initiative. His opinion was that he didnt like it and expressed himself in a crass and crude way as he normally does. Supporters of the initiative didn't like that and it spawned a lot of back and forth arguments before dying down.

Currently, the citizens initiative is short on having the required signatures to move forward and the deadline is in a few weeks. The lead guy behind the movement put out a video saying the initiative will likely fail, he will be ending his organization efforts when it does, and blamed it on Piratesoftware's video from 10 months ago. That has restarted the drama.

[–] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Dunno who you're referring to but the Stop Killing Games petition was started when Ubisoft announced that gamers would no longer be able to play The Crew, despite having bought it.

It's not new that online functionality is turned off after the player base dies down, but to be completely unable to play a game that can be played offline is crazy.

So now there's a petition circulating, but it's nearing its end. There are only a couple of days left I think.

It's a petition for the EU (or maybe Europe or the EER, I'm not sure), and every country needs a certain amount of signatures. I think some Mediterranean island nations are still lagging, but most countries have plenty now.

If you're in Europe, find the petition and sign it. Especially if you live in Malta or Cyprus.

[–] Zomg@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Relevant fact... They charged regular price for a game they had already planned to shut down, people that bought it had potentially never knew the servers had such limited time left. It's as close to being scammed as you can get. Some would argue it is.

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Especially if you live in Malta or Cyprus.

That doesn't matter at this point. The country threshold has been reached. Now it "only" needs to reach 1 million total signatures before the end of july, currently sitting at around 600k.

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Corporate propagandists have infiltrated so much of the discourse it's almost impossible to make any positive change. Eat the rich.

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