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[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I noticed some comments saying "You can't pirate free software". I would take that as a challenge, so here's how to pirate Lemmy.

Firstly, "free" software is extremely rare. Lemmy isn't free, its governed by the AGPLv3. Per the AGPLv3, if you pull the author attribution/licensing text, say "I made this" , and start distributing it out, you've committed copyright infringement and illegally distributed it (piracy). So, that means we CAN pirate Lemmy:

Fork the existing Lemmy repo into our own project
Remove all reference to the original authors and licensing and put your own name on it.
Change the name to something else and start sharing it out.
Optionally charge money for it

NOTE: Never let someone tell you that you can't do something.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago

you mad lad lol

[–] zarniwoop@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago

You, I like you.

[–] harcesz@szmer.info 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What donation box? Something in the newer lemmy?

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It's a blue box that sometimes pops up on the default interface. idk if it's added by our admins, or by the .ml admins, but either way, this is how you remove it if you see it. obviously if you're not on dbzero, change the URL appropriately.

[–] jbone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They added this as part of the default WebUI? Thankfully I haven't seen this message.

I've been slowly moving over to Piefed, perhaps I need to accelerate this process.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

we'll probably be getting a piefed instance of our own at some point. the reception to the idea seemed mostly positive, and the admins have said they'll have a vote on it at some point in the near future. I'm looking forward to it, I don't want to support Lemmy with the dev it has, if there are other options that are better and also federate.

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 1 points 6 days ago

aye that's why I moved too.

[–] jbone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

Yea, saw the Piefed instance thread, looking forward to the launch. I will be switching.

I hope the Lemmy devs end up in a russian internment camp; it's only fair for them to experience what they wish on other people.

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have literally never seen this box. I don’t use an app, I just browse to the site in my browser.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

glad to hear it

[–] Steve@communick.news 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Would I not pay my roofer if they were a Rump supporter?
They did a good job on my roof. What do their political opinions matter?

If I was XRaying your broken arm, would you refuse, because I support a tankie for writing apolitical software I like to use?

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

are you really in the piracy comm, telling people they should pay for free software by using healthcare, which should also be free, as an example?

[–] Steve@communick.news 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Using free software isn't piracy to begin with. This post is actually in the wrong community.

You see how I didn't even address your point, and instead brought up a different and only tangentially related argument? Makes me seem like a dick doesn't it.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There is piracy and then there is talking others out of donating

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

Would I not pay my roofer if they were a Rump supporter?

I wouldn’t hire them to begin with.

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The acceptance of medical care is not an equivalent situation to using free software in terms of ideological concerns. That's conflating a social media platform with being as necessary as medical treatment. Even the roofing situation wouldn't fit as the work is complete and they can't exactly undone that work without destroying part of your existing house now and they certainly aren't based on optional donation are they? I mean I assume you contracted to have them do that work, right? So that wouldn't be a valid comparison to make either. Is Lemmy equally as important as blood poisoning or having a home to you?

The other glaring issue you didn't consider is agent vs. artifact. In neither case is the actual person performing the service (roofer or doctor) the one being criticized for holding the tankie views. By that logic, you wouldn't be able to interact with anyone who is apathetic about an issue/belief/etc you are not. A working example of that would you you posting to a forum post by the OP who has different views. You shouldn't be interacting with him if you actually believed what you wrote.

[–] Steve@communick.news -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm sorry I genuinely don't understand.
First you tear down my bad analogies. Ignores the point, but fine.
Then you go and make the same, or similar point I was making? I'm not sure. And think by some twist of logic maybe, think I wouldn't engage positively with someone I have disagreements with?

I read your comment three times and I still don't understand what you're trying to get across.

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not sure why you'd be struggling with this, honestly. You understand the proxy relationships you created in your weird one-offs right?

"Don't set my bones, Dr. Steve donated to X" is not the same as "I don't want to donate to X". You inserted yourself in the middle of it and then claimed in a life threatening situation he wouldn't have an issue giving you money. You are not the tankie. You don't matter in the OP's decision regarding donations to the tankie. The roofers don't matter in the OP's decision regarding donations to the tankie. The tankie is the only one who matters in that scenario, it doesn't matter who you inject between them as a shield.

You might read about the separation of roles and responsibility. That's not ignoring the point, its proving you have no point to be made.

As for your other comment: You said you wouldn't engage positively with someone you disagree with like the OP, but yet the OP is required according to you to engage positively with the developer who he disagrees with? If the OP can't post about the dev in that way, why are you able to post about the OP in that way?

If you still struggle with that, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe look up "hypocrisy"?

[–] Steve@communick.news -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ok. I understand a little better now. You may have skimmed what I wrote quickly, and made a bunch of assumptions and guesses about what I meant.

“Don’t set my bones, Dr. Steve donated to X” ... claimed in a life threatening situation

I'm an Xray tech, not a doctor.
Never mentioned setting bones just taking xray images.
I also didn't mention or imply any life threatening situations. That's purely your imagination.

The roofers don’t matter in the OP’s decision regarding donations to the tankie.

My roofer example didn't mention tankies at all.
I implied I would pay the roofer (singular) even though they were a (t)Rump supporter, and I don't support their politics.

You said you wouldn’t engage positively with someone you disagree with like the OP

Never said anything of the sort. That's your imagination again.

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I didn't skim. You only wrote 3 lines...

At this point you're just trying to argue semantics like that will somehow make your non-points logically coherent. As for that last thing you wrote that you said you didn't write, its verbatim from your later comment. so yeah you did say that. Literally just had to scroll up to find it, man. That wasn't hard.

Either way, doesn't matter. You're just backpedaling at this point trying to say you either didn't say something or argue that I'm wrong because your analogies don't make sense (like I'm responsible for your bad writing). I've given you terms to research, I hope you do better when you try to start arguments online in the future because you did a terrible job tonight. Later.

[–] Steve@communick.news -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You see how I didn't even address your point, and instead brought up a different and only tangentially related argument? Makes me seem like a dick doesn't it.

That part?
That's sarcasm. See how I called myself a dick for doing that?

It was only 4 lines. And yet you misread, misunderstood, or just plain missed, multiple things on each and every one of them.
Maybe that's my fault for writing poorly. But since you didn't even count them all, I'm doubtful its all my fault.

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Would I not pay my roofer if they were a Rump supporter?
They did a good job on my roof. What do their political opinions matter?
If I was XRaying your broken arm, would you refuse, because I support a tankie for writing apolitical software I like to use?

1... 2... 3... See, in Lemmy the comments are attached under the post. That's how you know what a person is responding to.

[–] Steve@communick.news 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Excellent work!
Line is however subjective. On my device that's actually 5 lines, because 2 of them wrap. And you didn't count the blank line between your lines 2 and 3. That would make 4 if you had.

But that's just coincidence and post hock nitpicking. Really I assumed you were referring to both of my primary comments together, since you also referenced the second. And calling the short paragraphs lines. Count them that way, there were also 4.

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Remember me saying you're arguing semantics? You are now trying to argue that you wrote 4 lines not 3 because of a blank line...

[–] Steve@communick.news 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Try nothing. I actually did it! 👨‍🎓

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That is correct. You argued that a blank line counts as part of your original argument... I am playing chess with a pigeon it seems.

“Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it won.”

[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You fell in the the Tankie argument trap where nothing they say makes any sense yet they still think youre the idiot. You also sometimes feel like an idiot trying to deconstruct the incoherent trans theyre saying.

[–] Steve@communick.news -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We never argued tankie anything.
From Modikins first response it was all pedantic drivel. Nothing of substance. They started by attacking my bad analogies, without actually reading them. I just played the game they started, and took it to its logical conclusion.

[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You truly don't know how to read do you. You should go take night classes. Learning to read is very important.

[–] Steve@communick.news 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What?

[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Right. You probably can't actually understand what I'm saying.

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[–] Steve@communick.news 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You thought this was chess?
With your first reply you played a game of pointless pedantic posturing in the pursuit of pretend points. I just had fun playing along during moments of down time between patients.

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, it wasn't chess. It was me spanking you logically, pigeon.

[–] Steve@communick.news 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretending to out position, a pigeon playing at being a person, may be a preposterously puerile peacock, like I've never perceived.

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You got your cheeks clapped in an argument and now you're trying to downplay it. 👏 👏 👏

[–] Steve@communick.news 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Hell my checks clap whenever I walk, that's got nothing to do with this.

[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 1 points 1 week ago

👏...👏...👏...

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One of the main devs has previously admitted that a lot of that money just goes to server costs for .ml. Fuck that shit.

[–] Steve@communick.news 9 points 1 week ago

That is a good point. I can see how somone wouldn't want to support the instance with views they don't like.... However.
Dogfooding ones own software is an important part of the development process. So it makes sense they would use it for that.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Awesome, thanks Crypt.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

no problem!

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

What do this have to do with piracy?

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Not worth the echo—
your voice fades into the wind.
I remain silent.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 4 points 1 week ago

What this comment has to do with piracy? Sound like poetry to me