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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] aio@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don't really understand what point Zitron is making about each query requiring a "completely fresh static prompt", nor about the relative ordering of the user and static prompts. Why would these things matter?

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There are techniques for caching some of the steps involved with LLMs. Like I think you can cache the tokenization and maybe some of the work of the attention head is doing if you have a static, known, prompt? But I don't see why you couldn't just do that caching separately for each model your model router might direct things to? And if you have multiple prompts you just do a separate caching for each one? This creates a lot of memory usage overhead, but not more excessively more computation... well you do need to do the computation to generate each cache. I don't find it that implausible that OpenAI couldn't manage to screw all this up somehow, but I'm not quite sure the exact explanation of the problem Zitron has given fits together.

(The order of the prompts vs. user interactions does matter, especially for caching... but I think you could just cut and paste the user interactions to separate it from the old prompt and stick a new prompt on it in whatever order works best? You would get wildly varying quality in output generated as it switches between models and prompts, but this wouldn't add in more computation...)

Zitron mentioned a scoop, so I hope/assume someone did some prompt hacking to get GPT-5 to spit out some of it's behind the scenes prompts and he has solid proof about what he is saying. I wouldn't put anything past OpenAI for certain.

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[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
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