In addition to AI "Page Buddy," Firefox also Adding Google Lens, Stock Data, Tasks, Timer : firefox

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 38 points 3 weeks ago

I literally cannot explain how excited this makes me. I can't, because that'd require me to be in any way exited by any of this, as opposed to annoyed that'll I'll have to disable yet more useless bloat that doesn't belong in a web browser. And apparently waste disk space on a local LLM I won't be using, because, you know, I can fucking read on my own just fine.

[–] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We really, really, really need a third party browser that isn't a Firefox or Chrome clone. This duopoly is a downward spiral.

[–] Maiq@piefed.social 9 points 3 weeks ago

Cant wait for ladybird!

[–] DoctorPress@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's not possible thanks to ever increasing web bloatware. A single person or group of freetime programmers cannot implement that much bloatware without using existing ones. We need a new protocol but it will not gonna happen because it wouldn't be profitable.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I have said this before: what are they supposed to do? I don't want external AI, I don't want google lens in my browser, I don't want a lot of what they are doing.

But Firefox is in between a rock and hard place. To the average user not having those things is seen as being behind and old. They are told every day how great AI is, and how useful it is.

So what does Mozilla do?

[–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

We have different distributions of Firefox at least. Dunno how feasible it would be for them to release and support a stripped down version. I'm gonna guess it's not as I would assume a lot of these integrations come with sponsorship money.

[–] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

K.I.S.S.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

YOU'LL NEVER GET ME TO USE AI

[–] Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago

translation: ask user again in 3 days

[+] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip -6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Seems like a silly statement. I mean we do not have real AI, so you basically are saying "I will not use predictive algorithms" which seems counter intuitive to using a computer at all.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its abundantly obvious that nowadays when somebody mentions AI they mean generative AI for text, images, and so on.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

OK, that changes nothing about what I said. Do you have a point?

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I quite obviously meant it doesn't matter how much they integrate Gemini into the browser, I'm not touching it.

I, again quite obviously, am not saying I'm not going to use any predictive algorithm ever made.

If this is confusing to you, consider consulting a doctor.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip -5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You said or op or whoever, I will not use AI. Now you are saying in a browser and if it is gemini.

Point is I think the problem is corporations, the training, the privacy, etc.

Predictive algorithms could be useful eveb in a browser, generative ai could be helpful with spotting phishing, confusing ads, spelling, orgnization and layout, but it's all about who made it, who controls it, and how much energy it consumes.

That is my point, the issues surrounding computing are not just because it is called "ai" and I think it should be said as such.

[–] erilun06@social.vivaldi.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

@NewNewAugustEast @kadup
@Vivaldi
I am definitely going to be called a chill, but I truly and honestly love the thing I'm going to talk about, I'm not just "blowing steam"

If you want a great, User-Configurable browser without any AI garbage, give Vivaldi a try

Here is the CEO giving a clear stance against generative AI
https://vivaldi.com/blog/keep-exploring/
And here is a more general explanation of what and how they as a company is working towards a better future for the web
https://vivaldi.com/for-a-better-web/

My own experience with the browser is that it feels like what people expect Firefox to still be:
A User-focused, configurable and customizable, feature-rich web-browser that puts the user first and foremost.
Want the tabs at the bottom?
That's a setting.
Using Vivaldi on Linux in a Window-manager with server-side(or no) decorations?
Don't worry, that's in the Settings.
Want a keybinding that opens a predetermined set of tabs?
That's possible with a command chain.
Want to set alt+tab to cycle tabs?
The keybinding page in the Settings is one of the best I've ever used with the ability to bind multiple keybindings to the same action (or multiple actions using command chains)

And as if that wasn't enough, the CEO spends some of his time on Mastodon, and has answered questions directed to the Vivaldi account

OK, I'm a fanboy.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Vivaldi is probably the only Chromium based browser I would consider. It is my alternative when I am not using Firefox. Yeah it is pretty good.

I will say, like I mentioned about Firefox, if you scroll down in the comments you will find people saying Vivaldi will fade to obscurity without implementing some kind of AI.

Frankly I appreciate Vivaldi's stance: it isn't ready yet, too many issues and problems to add agents into our ecosystem.

By the way Vivaldi is like a swiss knife: you can take notes, email, calendar, tasks, so much stuff! On the other hand it often chokes on updates and the sync is less then perfect.

[–] erilun06@social.vivaldi.net 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

@NewNewAugustEast

The reason I didn't mention the (synced, hierarchical, markdown) notes, mail, RSS feed, calendar, pomodoro timer, read later feature, in-browser tilling window manager, etc (probably forgot something)

And if you count things connected to the vivaldi.net account:
Email address, Blogg platform, forum, (sync), and social media platform (Mastodon instance),
Whatever https://onlyfjords.com/ is
Again, I might have missed something

Is:
0. I didn't know that you had used it before, didn't want to "scare" you with "too many features"

my message was exactly the amount of characters allowed in a Mastodon post
People coming from ff today probably just want a browser, not half an operating system (Emacs reference) and you don't have to even turn on most of those features (I don't even use all of them)

⚠️Rambling tangent ahead ️⚠️

Come to think of it, if I were only able to have 2 graphical programs installed on my computer, it would be Emacs and Vivaldi
Ofcourse I'm not counting the x11 server and a minimal Window-manager, but those aren't really graphical programs are they

And even though the features overlap between the 2(Vivaldi notes, Emacs org-mode, and so on), I still dare put Vivaldi on that high of a pedestal, it's just that good

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

Its nice... but it still is chrome. And that makes it not going to be my main browser.

Ever tried Floorp?

[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

I've used Firefox since the Netscape era. I used Firefox before it reached 1.0. I supported it when it was way slower than IE or Chrome. I will not support this.

[–] xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

You know they could've just made official extensions for these? Good thing I'm on ESR so I won't receive these until I move to a fork.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

just use librewolf people.

[–] Konstant@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How will they be dealing with this?

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

librewolf has always disabled all the ai stuff.

[–] rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Ew, wtf

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Holy hell fuck Mozilla

[–] HouseWolf@pawb.social 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you just want regular Firefox without Mozilla's bullshit grab Waterfox.

If you're the more paranoid type then grab LibreWolf. It comes with a lot of privacy centric tweaks out of the box and is what I personally have used for over a year now.

And I dunno maybe try Floorp if you feel fancy. I've never personally used it however.

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Be warned that if you use librewolf you will have to deal with corpo accounts asking you to verofy the account a lot more ,like having to use a phone number where you didnt have to do that before.

[–] krimson@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Welp, so long Firefox. It has been a good run all those years.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What will you move to?

[–] krimson@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't know yet. Going to give Librewolf a try.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Will sync work for that? I needs muh sync.

[–] ashley@feddit.fr -2 points 3 weeks ago

that's it im going from firefox to mullvand browser all.of they ai is shit