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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 days ago

A lot of cities were designed around cars. In Cities Skyline you can just bulldoze entire neighbourhoods and completely change the roads and transit. Unfortunately in real life you can't easily bulldoze people's homes, and transit networks can take a decade to build.

Global warming is a problem now, and perfect is the enemy of good enough. We know EVs aren't the ideal solution, but it's important part of a solution that involves improved transit, better quality of life in dense population centers AND EVs for neighbourhoods that were built in a car-centric past. Maybe in 100 years the suburbs won't exist and there won't be any need for cars, but if we wait 100 years to have perfectly designed transit friendly neighbourhoods we'll all be fucked.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You also need to fix the karen problem that plagues society. I don't like getting called a slur or "go back to where you came from", and its very bad when you're stuck inside the small space as them. (By "karen" I don't mean just white women, but the attitude of some people, anyone can become a karen)

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Walking/biking > public transportation > used EV > used IC with decent fuel economy > new EV > new or low fuel economy IC.

[–] DarthAstrius@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 days ago

I agree, but, this country, unfortunately, is built around cars now, and I certainly can’t walk to work as it would take hours, same with biking.

We need more public transportation, but we also need electric cars.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago

Yes but only if you run it competently.

Source: live in Ottawa.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 days ago (5 children)

It's not even just about sustainability. It's also largely about comfort (public transport is just 10x as comfortable as any car could be), price to the end consumer (public transport is typically much cheaper to the end consumer than cars, and that's even by a lot), space management (compare how much space cars need vs. public transport) and all these things. it's not just climate change.

[–] Aganim@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

public transport is just 10x as comfortable as any car could be

Yes, nothing beats walking to a bus stop and waiting there in the cold, rain or burning sun, hoping the bus shows up in time or at all. Then stressing, because it being 15 minutes late probably means your connecting train will be gone. Oh yes, there it goes. Half an hour wait with no place to sit. And then repeat this two more times for more connecting trains and buses.

And I haven't even talked about not being able to sit during train rides, or having to sit on back wrecking seats. Unfortunately I have back issues and after having enjoyed the 'comfort' of our public transport I often end up just not being able to stand or sit anymore at the end of the day because my back hurts so bad.

That is my average commute, and as a bonus there ultimately isn't a difference in price here between taking the car or public transport. To top it off my average travel time is 60 minutes by car, 1.5 - 2 hours by public transport, often depending whether or not the first bus shows up in time.

It would be able to overlook a lot of this if it was feasible to do some work in the train, but with all the fragmentation on my route I never really get anything done.

I really would like to use public transport, as it is more sustainable than my gas guzzler, but each time I try it the experience just sucks so bad.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm with you entirely except for comfort. I think the only comfort advantage is that trains can have comparable leg room and you can standup.

I have never been on any type of mass transit where the seats were as comfortable as even a crappy car.
That's ignoring system dependent stuff like cleanliness or the discomforts of being close to strangers.

You can certainly clean more, put in better seats, and suck it up when it comes to strangers, but as it is right now, I struggle to see how you could say it's more comfortable based purely on the amenities.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I struggle to see how you could say it’s more comfortable

easy, i don't have to focus on the street for 50 minutes. that's a big win for me.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago

It's great to see that Skeletor and all his "likes" will be switching from gas cars to public transit.

[–] Soleos@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Electric cars are a type of vehicle. Public transit is a type of transportation system that include many different types of vehicles and can include electric cars.

You're comparing apples to orchards.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This is true for dense cities, but not in more rural and semi-suburban areas.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 4 points 6 days ago

I am even more ~~hostile to capitalism~~ sustainable, I use a bike.

[–] Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

What public transport?

[–] AmericanEconomicThinkTank@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (4 children)

In a car I am in constant conflict, constant in risk.

In a plane I am but a commodity, worth only my payment.

In a bus we are a union, to endure together, and one another.

In a train we are a tribe, fortified in goals, interests, as philosophers of old.

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