I do not want to be seen as defending fascists or being obscurantist but I regularly encounter normal people who literally never learned how to identify a fascist. To them, it vaguely means authoritarian and imperialistic and deploying it in conversations within an american context seems unnecessarily inflammatory. The average person has neither the time nor the inclination be as plugged into politics as we are. Words actually do mean things...just different things to different people.
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Sir that is Cody's Showdy and he is a srs journalist not a shitposter
But I do wish harm on fascists...
Generally, the people who claim the meaning has changed or been watered down are fascists or their sympathizers or prescriptivists that fail to understand how language evolves. Watch them come out of the woodwork to explain how nobody is a nazi because the National Socialist party doesn't exist anymore. Buncha stupid fucking bastards.
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https://youtu.be/nD3rSA4FSqk?t=4982
"What is it you that want people to do when you call them fascists?"
We want you to stop being fascists, you blithering idiot!
They don't mean anything anymore... Seen people on here calling everything from Joe Biden to Buffalo wild wings fascist.. (real encounters)
The same thing happened to terrorist, a term that became overused and dead during the IWoT and yet the Trump regime is still trying to leverage that word against his political enemies.
For my own arguments, I use alternatives to fascist or get specific, such as calling it an autocratic regime that uses fascist rhetoric to justify state violence. That way my readers know I'm talking seriously about a serious thing.
Joe biden authored the patriot act.
You know, I thought you were wrong. I looked it up was ready to site sources, watched that video and I really dont know what to think anymore.
Well, technically Biden only authored the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995, not the patriot act. But the proposals in his bill were recycled into the patriot act.
Then technology made it worse.
You should think about what Liberalism actually is and see if you agree with any of it
Watched this yesterday and "Charles Entertainment Kirk" fucking murdered me
Got a link? I don't know who this is but my curiosity is piqued.
The post includes a link to the very video, but here it is again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD3rSA4FSqk
It's a very good analysis of political violence in the US. Cody Showdy generally does great work discussing not just the news, but the olds too. Fair and Balanced™©® and all that.
Thanks, for some reason when I was looking at post earlier it was just the screenshot, no link. Maybe it didn’t load properly, happened to me sometimes with Lemmy.
I don't call them Nazis because I dislike them, I dislike them because they're Nazis.
No they are fascists, Nazi was the shorthand for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), the first 4 letters.
Fascism gets its name from Italy, Mussolini's Fascist Party, but it is the name for the political ideology as a whole, there is no Nazism and Americans being called Nazis is kinda weird, imagine if the scenario was flipped and you called german fascists MAGAs.
Thanks for coming to my stickler talk.
What do you call people who wear red and black swastikas and say heil Hitler while doing a salute typical of the Nazi party?
Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist though. The party wasn't called Nazi, the members were.
It was and is literally called the Nazi Party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
The Nazi Party,[b] officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party
I don't live in America, and many people here actually do use MAGA or Trumpism to describe the local right wing people and parties because they are largely just copying America...
imagine if the scenario was flipped and you called german fascists MAGAs.
It's semantics. The German and American fascists all pull from the same ideological and rhetorical playbook.
Veneration of the national security state. Zealous religious orthodoxy. Obsession with loyalty oaths and ethnicity sorting. Reflexive xenophobia. Institutionalized quackery.
It's all the same shit. Same as Apartheid Africa. Same as Kuomanting China. Same as Pinochet's Chile and Milei's Argentina.
If the situation were flipped, and Hitler was rising to power ~80 years after we had a massive war to take out MAGA fascists, then yeah I think people would refer to them as "MAGA", at least at first.
Nazi ~~means~~ refers to National Socialist, but at this point in history, it can also just refer to political movements that are fascist and Nazi-like. The meanings of words shift over time.
Edit: Fixed to appease a pedant.
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