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Gorsh, if only the FAA had more employees. Did the FAA use to have more employees? What happened to them? /sarcasm
Honestly, I wonder how long til we have to close down an airport because staff just stops showing up entirely. I feel like absenteeism has to have gone exponential.
With the expense of flights, I also do think a lot about whether or not this disproportionately affects demographics who were more likely to have voted for Trump.
Wait......you think the vast majority of trump voters are wealthy?
Uhhhhhh........I don't even know how to respond to that without feeling like I'm talking down to you.
It can disproportionately affect them without most of them being wealthy.
Wealthy people will be less affected. They will get a different flight and just charge it. Poorer people will need to wait for a refund or insurance to pay to get an alternative.
I would also expect that the workers in states with less social benefits are more likely to have the staff not show up as they have to earn money elsewhere.
You don't think they will find a way to blame Biden?
Cut only private jets.
Upvoted you, but they frequently fly out of smaller/private airports that don't have direct ATC control anyway, so it's unlikely that's a significant contributor to a solution. Though I definitely agree it should be done at whatever scale it can be to improve general conditions.
Most of the airports that private jets fly in and out of do have a tower. Also, there’s a lot of ground holds recently due to en route controller shortages which limits how much traffic can be in the air, which of course affects private jets as well.
I'd imagine a lot of private jets do fly IFR though which does involve ATC. So even if they fly out of a non towered airport, they probably file their IFR plan with a towered airport and start talking to them once in the air.
Thanks for the laugh!
I'm still trying to process the fact that a moron known for being on "The Real World" is Transportation Secretary. And it's been months.
remember he also redirected his wifes flight away from the affected areas during the doge cuts of the atc.
Everything is just so. Fucking. Stupid.
Idk what the real world means in this context.
The Real World is an ongoing reality show on MTV. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy was in the 1997 season that took place in Boston Massachusetts.
I'm not sure either, but I assume it's a TV show.
It was one of the first "reality TV" shows and naturally, it was completely fabricated.
In America, anyway, a lot of people seem to think that "reality TV" began with Survivor for whatever reason. I don't really understand this collective amnesia, since Cops (1989) and The Real World (1992) are both things that predated Survivor (2000), were on the air when Survivor started, and are still going...
Apparently, the first reality TV show credit goes to Candid Camera, which was on TV in 1948, and was predated by a show on radio in 1947. I have some vague memory of Candid Camera being on in the 70s or 80s, but I had no idea it went that far back.
Take away pay from house & senate members while the government is shut down, they don't deserve the special treatment. Then we'll see how fast this all gets resolved.
People keep suggesting this without thinking it through
Many congress members are quite wealthy. They could easily go without their salary at all, for their entire tenure. These people tend to make money off stock trading (at suspiciously high rates, but that's a different discussion), in addition to other investments and "consulting" generating revenue for them
There are, however, at least a few congress members that are not independently wealthy. Those members are actually working class and rely on their salary to live. Those people are the ones that will be squeezed without a paycheck
What do you think the end result of that will be?
The wealthy members of congress will be able to use shutdowns as a bludgeon to force the working class members to vote in line with them. The wealthy can hold out indefinitely. The working class can only hold out until rent is past-due
Long term, I'd expect to see two other knock-on effects. Working class members of congress will be heavily incentivized to start making very good stock picks to have backup income, or more outright corruption. The second effect would be a chilling effect on working class candidates even running for congress
Does that sound like a positive outcome? Are those the incentives you want in congress?
We could have both, reform for leadership performing trades AND we can stop paying them when the government shuts down. But this story was about the FAA workers who don't get paid with stocks.
We could have both, reform for leadership performing trades AND we can stop paying them when the government shuts down
Okay, so we give a lot of power to the wealthy members of congress. It doesn't change the fundamental calculus that your suggestion would shift power from working class members of congress to the wealthy members. Even without insider trading, many of them are multi-millionaires and will not care at all that they don't receive their salary for a while
But this story was about the FAA workers who don’t get paid with stocks
That one has an easy solution that doesn't involve giving more power to the wealthy: Continue paying ATC during the shutdown
A much better generalized solution would instead to be forced budget continuation. Can't pass a bill? The old budget continues until you do
Train the house and senate to do air traffuc control work.
"Plane crashes up 3000%"
But some how they are all Boeing planes.
Richest country on the fucking planet yet we ~~can't~~ won't pay ATC 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
If we can't even hold the nation hostage, what's the point of authoritarian control?!
Paying people for work is just that "waste, fraud, and abuse" the Confederates kept babbling about.
I'm so glad I'm flying to one of the nations busiest airports next week.
This can't be good for the economy.