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[–] MaybeNaught@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Homosexuality can never... be justified." is an odd choice, but I'm sure that's what nets some positive responses in various cultures. I wonder how the reverse question would poll - "Homosexuality requires justification.".

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I think the reverse is "Homosexuality can almost always or always be justified". Then as a further "If yes, does homosexuality require justification?" can be added.

The opposite to yours would be "Homosexuality doesn't require justification" which would likely have different results.

[–] Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Does anyone know why Argentina was/is so progressive compared to its neighbors like Brazil and Chile?

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's a really good question, I'm from Argentina and I don't have a solid answer. Like someone else said the colonization and history is likely to be part of the reason, but I would like to remark that Argentina has a lot more influence from Italy, Spain, Germany and France, and also Jewish ( iirc Buenos Aires used to be the city with the largest jewish population after New York in the 90's). It's a very different cultural melting pot compared to any other country in South America.

[–] Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Interesting! How are the county's vibes regarding immigrants? Im always looking for a backup county in case my current one goes to shit again :)

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Argentina used to be first world as well, for whatever that's worth.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's confusing what you mean, because while "is first world" has come to mean "is a developed nation" for some reason, "used to be a first world" ambiguously summons the prior definition of the word, "an ally of the United States in the cold war." Ideally this problematic phrase should be avoided.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You're probably right, but "was a developed nation" seems confusing it it's own way, given that the definition of "developed" is pretty starkly different across times (there is no country left in the world with infant mortality as bad as best performer US in 1900, for example). In long form, it was at the same level as familiar W.E.I.R.D countries like the US, New Zealand and France, and then later fell behind.

Three worlds wasn't a great classification system when it was first devised, even. First world and second world made sense, lumping everything else into one category was pretty eurocentric and dismissive.

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[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I didn't expect China to score well but sheesh

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

AFAIK the government is the issue there, not cultural attitudes. Their politicians don't use it as a weapon, but I could be wrong.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

government is the issue there, not cultural attitudes

Ehh..... Not really. Homophobia is just different in East Asian cultures. A lot of Asian people don't really care if someone they don't know is gay, but are incredibly harsh towards their own family members if they come out. Pretty much all East Asia is still extremely culturally conservative and still holds onto Confucianist social values like abiding to strict social expectations.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

reproduction taboos and mores? gay people can't produce children for the family?

That's a large part of it, carrying on the blood line is super important to most East Asian cultures. The other part of the equation is that their cultural ideas leave no place for queer people in their idea of modern society.

It's kinda strange, but pre-western influenced East Asia was arguably less conservative in a lot of ways when it came to sexual orientation. There were more gray places in society for nontraditional relationships like court eunuchs, harams, and other noble positions that diverged from today's cultural norms.

[–] ooli3@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

happy to not see Greece in here

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