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[–] harambe69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

Since rust, the game, was launched one year after rust, the language, can we get the rust foundation to sue them for shits and giggles?

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

So much for my Steam Machine plans.

Welp, enjoy your rootkits and privacy violations.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago

15 years ago, any developer who wanted to install low-level malware on your system would have been rightfully laughed out of the room.

It really shows how tech illiterate the modern user is.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 28 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

The last "serious about anticheat" game was hacked on release day. On Windows. With kernel-level AC.

Fuck off with your lies.

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 9 hours ago

If you can't play a specific game on linux due to anti-cheat and you still have to encounter cheaters on windows - is this a linux problem somehow?

[–] monis@ttrpg.network 17 points 10 hours ago

I hear hackers run rampant in Rust.

Are they trying to say Valve isn't serious about anti-cheat?

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 37 points 19 hours ago

I mean if you run on an operating system, you’re not really serious about anti cheat. You should require all of your players to buy your own hardware that is sealed in a titanium box. They should have to give a blood sample before each session, and they should have to be completely surrounded by webcams the entire time. Better yet, have them report to their nearest prison’s solitary confinement wing for a 100% monitored play session.

Let’s get actually serious about anti cheat.

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 20 hours ago

If I need spyware to ensure I’m playing a game right, that’s a game I don’t need.

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 58 points 23 hours ago

If the game Rust is what is keeping you away from being on Linux it might be best you never go to Linux. Just save us all the future headache, thanks.

[–] who@feddit.org 42 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

When we stopped support for Linux, we saw more cheat users exploiting Linux, than actual legitimate users. — reddit

That's curious phrasing. Did he expect legitimate users to stick around after support was taken away? Or does he mean that there were more cheaters than legit users before support was dropped?

That's not to say that cheating was super widespread on Linux, — blog

Okay, so his blog post suggests that it was the former, making his original argument really bizarre.

When we stopped supporting Linux, users made up less than .01% of the total player base, even if that number has doubled, or tripled, it's not worth it. — reddit

When we discontinued linux support in 2019, — blog

The Steam Deck was released three years later, and nearly four more years have passed since its release. The portion of gamers using Linux has grown considerably more than he imagines above, and continues to grow.

Enabling proton support would mean we're asking the EAC team to provide support for a whole other platform, which we fear would reduce their ability to support Windows — blog

That is a false dichotomy. Rather than assuming what the Easy Anti-Cheat folks would do if more support were needed for Linux, he should probably ask. I would expect them to respond to increased demand by hiring qualified staff, not diverting existing staff to tasks for which they are unqualified. This is how businesses grow.

For now, we're still weighing up the risks and will continue to explore options with EAC. Don't expect to see Proton support in the near future, but we hope to have it enabled someday. — blog

I think that's the most sensible thing he has written on the topic.

[–] exu@feditown.com 21 points 20 hours ago

EAC supports Proton, the devs only need to enable it. And if they think something is lacking compared to Windows, I'm sure they could get Valve to work with EAC on improving those aspects.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

By the way, even in 2019 having only 0.01% Linux players in a game that officially supports Linux feels abysmally bad. I'd wager it had Linux support on paper only and when you tried playing it would be an awful experience.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 3 points 14 hours ago

Can confirm. Their builds were pretty bad.

[–] msokiovt@lemmy.today 15 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Dude should ask Linux players how they can actually play games with EAC and Battleye if that box is turned on, then they'll realize that none of the cheaters use Linux (if any at all). Most, if not all of them, use Windows with specialized scripts.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

... Rust still exists? As in, the murder-hobo-survival game that was early access like, 10-15 years ago?

[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 1 points 1 hour ago

I thought they were talking about the programming language.

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It is very different from the Early Access times. At some point they have rebuilt the whole game from ground up. Still is a murder-hobo-survival but is much more fun, nicer looking, better optimized and higher-skill-based game.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

That is still absolutely loaded to the gills with cheaters. DNSL has a whole series of videos where he trolls people on the server using cheats. 😂

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 21 hours ago

It's been polished a lot since then (they update every month), but yeah, it's still around and it's fun. Sucks that Alistair has this take tho.

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 10 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Arc Raiders was just deck verified

[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 2 points 1 hour ago

I'll buy it for Linux now.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago

Why hasn’t the amazing economy propelling AI industry fixed cheating yet?

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 14 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

The headline confused me for a second. I was like, aren’t they adding more and more rust to the kernel?

[–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 6 points 22 hours ago

Same, I had to double check the article lol. Rust next to the word developer was a sort of short-sighted phrasing.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 20 hours ago

RUST is a game, Rust is the programming thing. Maybe we need to normalize that in posting articles lol

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

And nothing of value was lost.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 6 points 20 hours ago

We have Rust at home.

[–] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 4 points 19 hours ago

Third rate game's developer says people who already have EAC working on proton are "not serious" uh....

[–] Kronusdark@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

There are so many alternatives to these sort of games now. I am not sure it's a good idea to just give your players the middle finger like that.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 21 hours ago

Every single one of them is also better than Rust. Ark, Conan Exiles, that new Dune game, Palworld...

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 22 hours ago

There is a personal element to this, somehow. The developer's relationship with Linux took a weird turn at one point and there's been a will-they-won't-they tension ever since.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Games shouldn’t be serious about anti-cheat.

[–] DesolateMood@lemmy.zip 7 points 19 hours ago

Games should be serious about anticheat, it just shouldn't require a rootkit into the players computer

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Singleplayer games*

Edit: include non-competitive multiplayer too

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Rust? That's a beverage in star citizen

[–] essell@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

And what my car is mostly made of right now.

(It was brand new when Star Citizen was announced)

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone -1 points 19 hours ago

I feel the same about GTA 6, which has been in development longer at greater cost

[–] OR3X@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I tried to get into Rust a few times and never liked it. One time I even played with a decent group of people and it still sucked. They can keep their game.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 21 hours ago

I enjoyed rust by hosting my own personal whitelisted server for my friends and I to mess around on, that's my favorite way to enjoy the game. You can play on linux by disabling their anticheat on your community server (since the server just rejects the proton client with EAC enabled, you don't get banned).