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I'm not proposing anything here, I'm curious what you all think of the future.

What is your vision for what you want Linux to be?

I often read about wanting a smooth desktop experience like on MacOS, or having all the hardware and applications supported like Windows, or the convenience of Google products (mail, cloud storage, docs), etc.

A few years ago people were talking about convergence of phone/desktop, i.e. you plug your phone into a big screen and keyboard and it's now your desktop computer. That's one vision. ChromeOS has its "everything is in the cloud" vision. Stallman has his vision where no matter what it is, the most important part is that it's free software.

If you could decide the future of personal computing, what would it be?

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[–] Maragato@eslemmy.es 2 points 2 years ago

El futuro de los pcs sera importante para Linux solo si los fabricantes de hardware apuestan por Linux o las leyes oblligan a publicar sus drivers como software libre. Mientras esto no suceda, veo dificil el futuro de Linux, al comprobar como la gente renuncia tan facilmente a su privacidad a cambio de la experiencia de usar windows, google,...

[–] broface@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

I'd be happy with the destruction of copyright and patent laws.

[–] MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

An immutable distro with working gpu passthrough for vms (or whatvere that's called). That's the dream

[–] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't like the migration to wayland when it is so woefully not ready to replace x11, terrible a11y, window embedding is still non existent, the window positioning seems like we might be getting is a watered down version that still wont be compatible with many apps.

Im not saying x11 is good, I am more then familiar with the multitude of x11 issues that are honestly a meme at this point. pretending like migrating to wayland will be this massive step forward is wrong however, it's a step to the side, just as broken, but different issues we can pick from.

x11 is broken by design, and wayland is designed to be broken

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

terrible a11y

Don't think that is up to Wayland, but UI toolkits. What specifically do you mean?

window embedding is still non existent

They have documentation on how to do this. If there's no libraries for this yet, it's not up to Wayland, but maybe lack of interest.

the window positioning seems like we might be getting is a watered down version that still wont be compatible with many apps

Wait and see. What I've seen discussed seems pretty good. Also, they have to take into account that not every compositor is a floating window manager.

[–] drwankingstein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Don’t think that is up to Wayland, but UI toolkits. What specifically do you mean?

a11y requires a large range of features, because of wayland most OSKs are now platform specific, we can't have overlays (we might be able to when the layers protocol lands, but thats a privleged protocol which is kind of up in the air how it's handled) etc. a11y requires an entire ecosystem, you cant just lay it on the tool kits, compositors handle a lot too.

They have documentation on how to do this. If there’s no libraries for this yet, it’s not up to Wayland, but maybe lack of interest.

I've tried this a while ago, it's a bloody joke, not only is it much harder to actually just do it, worse performance, and now I need to manage a bunch of additional crap. the fact that this is actually the reccomended process is a bloody joke, if you want window embedding, just use xwayland.

Wait and see. What I’ve seen discussed seems pretty good.

we shall see

Also, they have to take into account that not every compositor is a floating window manager.

I have absolutely no idea why people keep saying this. weston doesn't support some xdg protocols, and gnome some ext protocols, so why the does this matter? clearly neither xdg nor ext protocols are mandatory, so it has nothing to do with compositors not wanting to implement it.

if it's because tiling managers can't do it, then simply combine both protocols into one, or use both protocols.

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

a11y requires a large range of features, because of wayland most OSKs are now platform specific, we can’t have overlays (we might be able to when the layers protocol lands, but thats a privleged protocol which is kind of up in the air how it’s handled) etc. a11y requires an entire ecosystem, you cant just lay it on the tool kits, compositors handle a lot too.

Ah, that makes sense. Tbf I'm not too familiar with it and mainly thought about screen readers and such, where only the toolkit knows what text is displayed since everything afterwards just gets a frame buffer. It would be great to get a portable way to do overlays and feedback like "user has focused a text input control", yeah. How does this work on X11?

I have absolutely no idea why people keep saying this. weston doesn’t support some xdg protocols, and gnome some ext protocols, so why the does this matter? clearly neither xdg nor ext protocols are mandatory, so it has nothing to do with compositors not wanting to implement it.

As far as I know xdg protocols are supposed to be mandatory, ext ones aren't. Weston devs just don't care I suppose. (Though I can't actually verify this so correct me if I'm wrong. I just know that getting a protocol included into xdg is a lot harder.)

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I like that it's kind of the wild west, there's no single way to do anything and you're sort of on your own with it, which also means you're free to do whatever you want with it.

Choose what software you do or don't want, delete important system files if you really want to, break stuff and be allowed to fix it yourself rather than a company telling you what you can and can't do with your own computer

As long as it stays like that it's good how it is

More of the few games remaining that don't run on Linux via proton making the slightest effort to support it would be nice though

[–] Eryn6844@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

I hope the joy and knowledge and freedom our for-bearers had is what we will continue to reap in the future. there will be challenges, but we will prevail.

[–] not_amm@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

I think that if Linux improves and the economy/companies go the way they're going right now, FOSS has an opportunity to grow and bring more users, if not to Linux, to the decentralized and libre software communities. But i hope it goes hand to hand, as Linux would require better hardware support as its demand increases. Btw, I also think that accessibility would improve, which is good for everyone.

Aside from Linux, the people will, at some point, understand that a free product will worsen over time, and it's better to invest some money or time into the services/apps they like so they don't get enshittified. As FOSS communities grow and alternatives improve (like Godot, Blender and Mastodon), it'll attract the curiosity of the people.

[–] experimentmapass@social.trom.tf 1 points 2 years ago

@pmk Future linux should take example from Tromjaro.

[–] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

Not where I'd like to see it, but where I see it going:

Much like the three major publishers - Mac, MS, Google. Google and Apple are already using Linux/bsd. MS, on desktop is the only player left. They happen to be the most prominent player. It's an odd thing though, as others have pointed out. That more and more people, outside of work simply don't have a PC anymore. Phones have taken over for what a lot of people would have used a PC for to begin with.

With that, MS may replace their NT kernel with a *nix (probably built themselves or heavily modified from something like Gentoo - like ChromeOS) and then what. We'll still have these mega corps still pushing closed sourced systems.

Idk, I guess the question of "do we actually want Linux on everything?" remains. The enthusiast PC market differs from pre built OEMs for a reason.

Would I like to see wider adoption, yes. But I think it's better suited still for enthusiast and repurposing older machines to save them from e-waste.

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