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Bulletins and News Discussion from November 6th to November 12th, 2023 - Apartheid Antony's Asinine Adventure (hexbear.net)

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From Naked Capitalism:

...one has to wonder what the latest Blinken round of visits to the Middle East was supposed to accomplish, since all it did was expose our impotence. Even the Financial Times could not hide that the meetings with Netanyahu and then Arab leaders were a train wreck. Netanyahu rejected even any itty bitty ceasefire, branded a humanitarian pause, to get relief in, demanding that Hamas release all hostages first. The fact that Israel has welched or underperformed on its past begrudging promises to let trucks from Egypt in, would make that a non-starter even before getting to Hamas being sure to stick to its position of wanting to trade hostages for Palestinian prisoners. And of course the Arab states are not about to budge. Blinken got a more pointed version of what he was told before.

Antony Blinken faced intense pressure from regional allies to facilitate an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, laying bare the stark gap between US support for Israel and the outrage in Arab capitals over the siege and bombardment of the strip….

Sameh Shoukry, the Egyptian foreign minister, demanded an unconditional ceasefire, a commitment that Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu bluntly rejected after meeting Blinken on Friday.

Blinken had been expected to “brainstorm” with Arab diplomats the future of Gaza, home to 2.3mn Palestinians, after the war ends. Safadi bluntly rejected those talks as premature. “How can we even entertain what will happen in Gaza when we do not know how Gaza will be left?” he asked Blinken. “Are we going to be talking about a wasteland? Are we talking about a whole population reduced to refugees?”

This comes off as the sort of thing someone who had just read classic texts on negotiating trying to put in practice: “Gee, let’s get a dialogue going! Let’s get to ‘Yes’ on some less fraught issues to pave the way for further agreement!” In addition, “brainstorming” is cringemakingly American. You don’t do that with people who are mad at you. You don’t do that in a crisis. Between independent entities, you do not do that at the top level. You have low level people or emissaries float ideas. So why this exercise? The worst is that Biden and Blinken come off as so disconnected from reality that they though they might get someone to accommodate US needs.

Friendly reminder: when commenting about a news event, especially something that just happened, please provide a source of some kind. While ideally this would be on nitter or archived, any source is preferable to none at all given.

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.

Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.

The Country of the Week is still Lebanon! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.

Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

You're going to have to (hex)bear with me on the update this week. Have you been feeling generally pretty terrible this last month or so? So have I, and doomscrolling and archiving it all is my quasi-job at this point. Not good, folks, more and more people are saying it. I'll get over it eventually.

Links and Stuff

The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.

Resources For Understanding The War

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.

Last week's discussion post.

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[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

the CIAnarchist from earlier is trying to PM me oml and they've looked through my account

am I going to respond?

no im not

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I genuinely have militant contacts in the UK

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

[CW: disturbing]

This Intercept article is the most depressing thing I have read about Gaza.

I Joined Gaza's Trail of Tears And Displacement

After weeks of reporting on Israel's war from Gaza City, I was one of thousands of Palestinians who fled south on Friday.

The article

I Joined Gaza's Trail of Tears And Displacement

After weeks of reporting on Israel's war from Gaza City, I was one of thousands of Palestinians who fled south on Friday.

Hind Khoudary

November 12 2023, 5:11 p.m.

It was Thursday night when we started to negotiate. Do we need to evacuate to the south or not? The F-16s did not leave the sky, the bombing did not stop, the live ammunition was very close. The sky was foggy, gas bombs and white phosphorus filled the sky. It was hard for us to even breathe.

Our job is to document the war, to let the world know what is happening. How could we leave? For hours, we asked the question. I had a headache from overthinking.

"What if they kill us? What if they arrest us?" one guy asked.

"I am not leaving, I prefer dying here," another said.

"We should leave, we have kids and families."

"We did everything we can. We reported everything."

Despite the sound of the bombs, I urged myself to sleep. I wondered if this might be my last night in the office, my last night in the city.

We had evacuated from the office three times in 30 days. We evacuated from the office to Roots Hotel, but journalists there were targeted, so we evacuated to Al Shifa Hospital. After the threats the hospital received, we chose to risk it and go back to our three-room office in the Al Rimal area, near Al Saraya.

I used to live on a mat on the floor in the office. I had a private bathroom.

The 11th floor office had the best view of Gaza. It was home when we were displaced. It was our tiny home.

I slept as my colleagues were still debating.

It was 6:30 when my colleague Ali woke me up. "Get ready, we are leaving," he said hurriedly.

"Go where? Nowhere," I told him. "Let's find another place to go. I do not want to leave."

"Hind, yalla, no time to negotiate, we do not have a lot of time," he stressed while he was packing his cameras in his backpack.

I stood up from the mat. Everyone was packing, searching for their stuff. I realized that I do have ADHD, as I've always suspected, because I had no idea where to start.

It was less of a problem because I barely have clothes anyway — a couple of dirty sweaters, my laptop, and my camera. I have been displaced since October 9.

I grabbed my bag and hurried with Ali to pick up his injured mom and my cousin. Ali drove so fast. We parked away from the Al Shifa entrance. The entrance to a hospital has become a danger zone, with several having been bombed recently.

We started walking so fast trying to enter the hospital. It was crowded, people were rushing out.

We started pushing people. It took us more than 10 minutes to reach the building from the entrance, a distance that normally takes just a minute or less to cross.

I went to find my cousin, Sara. She works as a surgeon and has been in Al Shifa hospital since day one. Ali went to get his injured mom and sister.

I started knocking on the door. "Sara, open the door. It's me, Hind."

I kept knocking for three minutes until another doctor opened the door. Sara was sleeping.

I woke her. "Hurry up, we are leaving," I told her.

She gave no reaction. She began packing her clothes.

Ali took his mother in a wheelchair. I took my cousin with a couple of doctors.

The corridors were becoming empty, everyone in a rush. Even patients were evacuating.

By now, we were far too many to fit in the car, so we began to walk. We walked with thousands of other civilians. I even saw a hospital bed being pushed along the way.

Children, people in wheelchairs, the elderly, babies — everyone was carrying their backpacks, pillows, and mats.

We waited at the intersection for 40 minutes until Ali met us. Together, we walked.

I studied the looks on people's faces. Terrified, they were holding white flags.

A truck that normally carried cows was packed with people. Another truck that used to transport gas canisters took people to the south.

People crying, angry, sad, eyes filled with fear.

My emotions were blocked. All I could think was that I do not want to leave, that it was wrong to leave, that I must not leave.

Everything was destroyed. Even the streets were damaged and destroyed. My eyes were trying to document everything, I tried my best to capture everything in my eyes. I wanted to cry my tears out, but I held them inside me.

It's not time to cry, I will cry later, I told myself.

We started walking from the "Doula Square" — the launching point.

We found donkey carts. They called out that they would take us as far as the Israeli tanks.

We reserved two carts. The owner was in a hurry; he charged us 20 NIS — around $5 — for a 10-minute donkey ride. Some could not afford it, so they walked on foot.

I saw people carrying cats, carrying their birds in their cage, holding their bags, taking as much as they could.

We reached the area scraped flat by bulldozers. I saw one bulldozer, two tanks, and a dozen soldiers.

The owner of the donkey carts told us that this was as far as he could take us. All the people started holding out their green IDs, raised their hands and their white flags. Everyone was terrified. This was the first time many people in Gaza — especially kids — would see a tank or an Israeli soldier.

I saw Israeli soldiers in 2016 when I left the Gaza Strip through Erez, the fortified border in the north. I was not scared.

We were still walking. I was holding two bags, one on each shoulder. Ali's injured sister was leaning on me all the way. She got shrapnel in her leg when the Israelis targeted the Al Shifa hospital entrance.

As I was walking with the crowd, I was looking toward the ground. I saw baby blankets, baby slippers. I saw clothes, toys, bags. I'm sure people were too scared to go back and pick up the stuff they dropped.

We walked over dead, decomposing bodies.

We were thousands of us pushing each other on this one-way road. We wanted this to end. To our left was a tank and soldiers holding their rifles, watching us through binoculars on a sand hill. To our right were four soldiers standing in front a bombed-out building, posing and taking selfies on the rubble.

Our group was stopped more than four times (for no reason) — and let go for no reason.

As we approached the soldiers, I saw a naked man standing in front of the sand hill alongside three other men with their heads down.

Another man with a yellow five-gallon water jug and a blond child were called over by the soldiers. They asked the small boy to step closer without his father. The boy was terrified. Those of us walking past worried the boy would be taken.

The soldier told him there was nothing wrong, he just liked blond kids.

We kept walking. As we walked, pushing each other, we saw bombed cars and dead bodies inside the cars.

Flies filled the cars, feasting on the blood and the bodies inside.

A newborn in front of me was crying. The mom was trying to make food for her as we were walking. She started nursing her without stopping the walk. Another mom was pulling her kids in their baby seats with a rope.

A man pushed an injured woman in her wheelchair. It kept getting stuck in the sand.

We kept walking, stopping, then walking, the soldiers a constant threat.

It felt like years of walking, though it was only hours. It was packed, and we constantly looked between the crowds for each other. On the other side were people who were already in the south and came to pick us up. People in the south were searching for us, for people coming from the city. Everyone was tired. Everyone was thirsty.

I had lost my cousin in the crowd of thousands, but found her at the end. She was crying, her leg had given out. She was in intense pain. We helped her keep moving until we could find a car.

I can't describe the sadness. We escaped from being killed or injured, but I did not want to leave — and did not want to leave the city.

As we walked closer to where the cars were stationed, people started distributing water to us. They told us we were welcome and that their homes were open to us.

We were so tired. I could not feel my shoulders or my legs.

Everyone was happy we evacuated; everyone was hugging us. We had safely made it.

But I did not feel the same. A piece of my heart was left in the city, and I may never be able to go back to get it. It is impossible for me to imagine I abandoned my father's house, left it alone. He built that home with his own hands, and when he died in 2012, it stayed with the family. Our house in my family is something so precious to us. We do not know if our house is still standing or not, but we know that we are not in it.

Fifteen minutes after we arrived, the people walking behind us were bombed.

This...

To our right were four soldiers standing in front a bombed-out building, posing and taking selfies on the rubble.

...gives me a special kind of rage.

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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If an enterprising regional Resistance group were feeling courageous and looking to at least temporarily hobble the Israeli war machine, one might look towards hijacking a container ship that is entering the Suez and engineering another Ever Given incident, blocking the Suez. Israel's main crude import terminal in Ashkelon has been closed since the start of the conflict, meaning it is relying on the Eilat oil import terminal. 60% of Israel's crude oil comes from Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan by way of the Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline, with most of the rest of those imports coming from West Africa. Normally, the oil would be put onto tankers in Ceyhan in Turkey or in West Africa and shipped by sea to Ashkelon, where it would then be sent by pipeline to Ashdod or Haifa for refining. With the port of Ashkelon closed, the oil has to be sent through the Suez to Eilat, to then be sent by pipeline to Ashdod and Haifa. With the Suez blocked, the oil would have to go all the way around Africa to get to Eilat, which would delivery increase time and shipping costs.

The downside is that this would piss off the US, Israel, Egypt, Europe, and probably a bunch of GCC nations, so it would have to be done by a group that is already not on good terms with them.

[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago

More than 180,000 join marches against anti-Semitism in France

More than 180,000 people across France, including tens of thousands in Paris, have joined marches to condemn a surge in anti-Semitism amid Israel’s ongoing war against Hamas in Gaza.

As of Saturday, the interior minister said there had been 1,247 anti-Semitic acts since the war began on October 7, nearly three times as many as in the whole of 2022.

lol clown country

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1720496646000095577

what-the-hell

Cw, Peterson

Honestly what gets me most is the mispronunciation of Derrida. lmao Derreeda

We need this as an emoji though lol

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[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Typical blonde hair blue eyes Fox News White House correspondent (read: I don't know or vouch for this source, but she has cReDeNtIaLs):

Pentagon says there have been 56 injuries total to U.S. service members since October 17th from the attacks in Iraq and Syria. This includes 25 cases of TBI. All have returned to duty...

...Delayed self-reporting of the "minor" injuries and delayed diagnosis of TBI's has been very common in the two attacks from last month, which is why the number for total injured keeps growing. via @Liz_Friden

(TBI = traumatic brain injury)

twitter / nitter

In the thread you can see some pigs stirring for revenge, but I would'nt call it an op yet. Could just as likely be diffuse Fox News brainworms trying to drag Brandon for not supporting the troops hard enough.

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Check out baby brain Friedman. Emphasis mine.

archive.today • Opinion | Israel Is In Real Danger For Three Reasons - The New York Times

Israel's war against Hamas in Gaza entails urban, house-to-house fighting that creates thousands of civilian casualties — innocent men, women and children — among whom Hamas deliberately embedded itself to force Israel to have to kill those innocents in order to kill the Hamas leadership and uproot its miles of attack tunnels.

NYT columnists are following the hasbara line. They've have gone from "Hamas must be destroyed." to "Hamas leadership must be killed." Also - have you considered that the Gaza war means that many Israelis have to pay more rent?

When might they go back [to northern Israel? They had no idea. Like more than 200,000 other Israelis, they have taken refuge with friends or in hotels all across this small country of nine million people. And it has only taken a few weeks for Israelis to begin driving up real estate prices in seemingly safer central Israeli towns. For Hezbollah, that alone is mission accomplished, without even invading like Hamas. Along with Hamas, they are managing to shrink Israel.

In case you're wondering what he thinks are the three threats.

Israel is facing threats from a set of enemies who combine medieval theocratic worldviews with 21st century weaponry — and are no longer organized as small bands of militiamen, but as modern armies with brigades, battalions, cyber capabilities, long-range rockets, drones and technical support. I am speaking about Iranian-backed Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic militias in Iraq and the Houthis in Yemen — and now even the openly Hamas-embracing Vladimir Putin.

The only conceivable way that Israel can generate the legitimacy, resources, time and allies to fight such a difficult war with so many enemies is if it has unwavering partners abroad, led by the United States.

Israel has the worst leader in its history, maybe in all of Jewish history — who has no will or ability to produce such an initiative.

#2 badly needs a edit... The only conceivable way that Israel can generate the legitimacy, resources, time and allies to commit war crimes, do ethnic cleansing, and convicably fight wars with so many enemies is if it has unwavering partners abroad, led by the United States.

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[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Random tidbits from twitter I haven't seen mentioned here yet. Unsourced unless otherwise mentioned:

US announces 3 soldiers were wounded in rocket attack against their base in Omar oil field yesterday

An israeli special force was discovered in Jenin. Resistance factions opened heavy fire on it. Zionists sending massive reinforcements. Reminder that all Resistance factions in Jenin, and number of groups from other parts of the West Bank, are fighting together in Jenin.

The resistance in Jenin sounds like serious business. A giant IED blew up a troop carrier: https://nitter.net/EyesOnSouth1/status/1722591983217131659#m

On the Lebanon border, Hezbollah has fired a ticket directly on soldiers. Only appeared to hit one, but this is a change from their usual propo, which has shown buildings being targeted. CW: death: https://nitter.net/resist4ever__/status/1722676902278640020#m

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[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (8 children)

“A clear statement that politics should end right here and right now,” Beshear says.

What the hell is that supposed to mean? This guy was just reelected as governor of Kentucky. What even is politics?

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago

Up to 40 West Bank raids happening every day: PA

Mohammed Jamjoom reporting from Ramallah in the occupied West Bank

We’ve been speaking to sources in the Palestinian Authority who have said that Israeli raids in the occupied West Bank have intensified exponentially since October 7.

In the past week, the raids have gotten to up to about 40 per day. That’s a huge increase from where they were earlier in the year, throughout 2023, when they had become an almost daily occurrence.

Even before October 7, we must remember that 2023 was already the deadliest year on record for Palestinians killed either by the Israeli military or by settlers across the occupied West Bank.

Since October 7,185 more Palestinians have been killed here.

- Al Jazeera

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

I want to eat ice cream with a slice of warm pumpkin pie that had a fresh toasty crunchy crisp yet soft and chewy cookie sticking out of it.

Nope. can't do that. a cup of hot water and trying to not think of sweet treats is what I'll be treating myself to tonight

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[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Israel agrees to 4 hour pause every day

https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-humanitarian-pauses-b8fc613ffd8b9351c0dc37b90b6e10dd

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/9/breaking-israel-to-begin-four-hour-pauses-in-gaza-says-white-house

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago

Explosions, gunfire as Israeli forces conduct raids across occupied West Bank

Another late night and early morning of raids at multiple locations across the occupied West Bank. Some of the more notable ones were in Jenin, which has become a flashpoint when it comes to these raids.

Clashes have been ongoing and the situation has escalated in the last 30 minutes or so.

We are told that explosive devices have been used against Israeli army members and their equipment, and we’ve seen videos emerge from there where you can hear a lot of loud explosions and lots of shooting.

more IOF getting owned by IEDs

[–] Cigarette_comedian@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Talked with my dad today over the Ctesiphone and I very briefly brought up what I called "The Situation" (Israel-Palestine), and he was just as miserable and exhausted as I was, just a terrible thing is what it is.

Now, don't get me wrong, it's hilarious whenever an IOF unit gets 🔻'd but I think many would agree that it would be much better if the current conditions that caused this conflict wasn't extant in the first place.

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[–] fever@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Did that nurse who had returned from Gaza and CNN interviewed her condemn Israel? The 8min interview that I saw on YT was her looking traumatized but also careful not to raise anything about Israel, IMO.

To be frank, her working with Doctors Without Borders, which is kind of organization that bad actors like CIA would exploit, is red flag for me. And then CNN bringing her for interview is just so sus to me. Tell me I'm wrong, I'm dying.

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