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I asked if people chose iPhone for the blue bubbles elsewhere a couple days ago, and while there was some good discourse on that post, the blue bubbles definitely also came up as a reason.

In my experience, when people find out my texts are green, they oftentimes would rather switch to a different platform altogether like Instagram or just not text at all.

Is this actually a deal-breaker in friendships out there?

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[–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

SMS is just awful, sending someone an image only for them to get a pixelated mess feels bad. Definitely not any kind of dealbreaker though, and I personally don’t know anyone who could care less about the color of chat bubbles. iMessage is just seamless, works across all my devices and never requires even trivial troubleshooting, which makes it a strong preference.

[–] Fisk400@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sms is a base messaging service. You could have a Nokia 3310 and if somebody texts you it would go trough without issue. I think you can even send it to a regular corded phone and a robotic voice would read the message out for you. That is the singular strength of that system and as soon as you want more than that you should look into other apps. The fact that iMessage is mixing app functionality with its basic sms functions make it a bad app and it ruins things for everyone else.

[–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I’m an app developer on mobile, and I’ve been using SMS for ~25 years (including on old dumb brick phones). I appreciate your explanation, but my understanding of what SMS is and how it works is reasonably strong.

I’m gonna hard disagree with you there, the fact that iMessage mixes functionality is a huge contributor to the fact that iPhones are destroying android phones in the US.

Sending a text message with images and video is a single use case. The protocol that the message uses is an implementation detail and I think that it’s excellent UX for the user not to have to worry about it.

This is the exact reason that Google Allo was an immediate failure. Replacing hangouts (which could send rich messages or fallback to SMS) with an app with a worse feature set guaranteed that nobody would adopt it. Nobody was going to switch between two apps with the same use case (sending textual messages) based on which apps the person they were talking to has on their phone. I get that that’s a thing in Europe, but that’s out of necessity because european telecoms price SMS messages differently and few Europeans use SMS. If SMS isn’t widely used by your circle, you’re forced to worry about which apps the person you’re talking to has installed.

If I want to send a text message, I open my text messaging app, select a contact and send it. iOS determines the best available protocol for me, an enables the best feature set that both parties support. It’s a seamless and extremely enjoyable user experience.

Ruins things for everyone else

Me having an app that handles both SMS and iMessage seamlessly ruins absolutely nothing for anybody lol. This complaint is pretty silly and seems like its complaining that others are on a platform with a feature that you’ve chosen not to be on.

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[–] Axe_Oh_Lot_Tell@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If they do just move on. It's nice of them to display their red flags like that

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[–] OfficeChair@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Everyone I know uses WhatsApp, and they're not childish enough for carrying about green or blue bubbles. So weird.

[–] thedemon44@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

*caring

Don't get mad just trying to help in case that's the word you intended to type

[–] KrisKao@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago

Most of the world uses WhatsApp, and it does not matter if you have iPhone or Android. Are you in the USA? I hear it is the only country where people use apple messages so much that it matters.

[–] Donebrach@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Green texts are the worst mostly because (I’m convinced) apple has programmed Messages to intentionally lose them to make group texts with android users a nightmare to deal with, in an attempt at social pressure on android users to get an iPhone.

They are wildly inconsistent in their delivery success. Often times texts will either never go through to some members of the group or go through at random times. Also sent videos are always horribly compressed. Obvious solution would be to use a third party messaging app but but convincing everyone to do that is usually a nonstarter.

What it is though is green texts are just sms messages, which is the original text message protocol that uses cellular infrastructure to deliver the message. Blue texts are sent via the Messages app over the internet so they are likely just more reliable and quick to deliver.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why would anyone send video over SMS?

[–] sparky678348@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why would anyone send SMS?

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[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For me, I'm technologically inclined and like to be helpful. As such, I would not date an iphone user as I do not know how to fix their phones, and that would make me feel sad that I couldn't help. Also, as an iphone user, it seems like they'd rather just buy a new stupidly phone than take the time to figure out how their device actually works, and that massively clashes with how I view things.

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[–] skyhy@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I have an iPhone... For me if I see the green bubbles that means that the messages are SMS which is insecure and antiquated. I use iMessage and Signal because they are more secure and allow for sending rich media like photos and videos without worrying about MMS and SMS. I have massive amounts of data, why the heck would I use SMS to send messages? It has nothing to do with hating Android, it's more to do with SMS being hot garbage.

To clarify, if you only have SMS, that's fine I don't care and it doesn't affect our relationship, but given the choice I will always default to an end to end encrypted messengers.

[–] evranch@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Here in rural Canada we all use SMS because it's guaranteed interoperable and more likely to be deliverable in poor service conditions. A text can be life or death or mean the difference between hours of walking and getting quick help in the case of a vehicle or tractor breakdown. I don't know what phone the recipient may have and most of us have something ruggedized, there are even some flip phones and candy bars out there. So I actually use an aftermarket SMS app (Pulse) to avoid the chance that my phone's native app will attempt to send the message through an incompatible protocol.

We had terrible reliability issues in the last few years when iMessage and RCS started becoming defaults and most people I know have switched to 3rd party messaging apps or attempted to disable messaging (not always successful). It's gotten better with the default apps falling back to SMS more reliably now, but we are still all happy with SMS.

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[–] za_snake_guy@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I think this is mostly an issue in the US. The rest of the world uses a variety of messaging apps instead of text messaging. Here in South Africa WhatsApp and Telegram are prevalent.

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[–] bighi@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is so American...

"Let me send an SMS, while I ride my horse to go to my bank and do other things that people used to do in 1870."

"Oh, their SMS color is different! I dislike people with a different color than me."

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[–] Fubar91@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

It's only a deal breaker for children and those who have the mental development of a child. It's basically two children on the playground arguing that their personal favorite colour is better just because.

It logically and practically does not matter at all what colour a fucking text bubble is.

[–] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I don't care what phone you have, but if you have an iPhone, I will assume you are an idiot by default until proven otherwise.

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[–] Gomiyboy@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Only the most superficial of people would use this reason as a method for diminishing or isolating someone.

I would question my relationship with them if this is their outlook.

[–] solstice@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure if it is possible for me to care less what type of phone somebody uses.

If I found out somebody was judging me based on my phone I would seriously consider breaking up with them.

I'm surprised and dismayed we are even having this conversation, and some of the other replies are deeply troubling.

[–] theachievers@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I have friends who, against better counsel, have android phones, and the group texts were forever breaking. I finally brokered a deal for us to use Signal, which has been great. So (1) Android users in a group text on iPhone is a super pain in the ass, and (2) If everyone's using Signal, it's cool.

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[–] legion@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

SMS sucks. That's the real issue. The fact that an Android user being present in a group chat drags the chat's feature set back down to SMS level is what people are reacting to. (Fortunately, iOS 17 will fix this, at least for the iOS users in the group chat).

Having it be a friendship deal-breaker is childish, though.

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[–] gornius@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I don't even hate Apple that much, but what I hate is that every time I find out somebody I know uses Apple product I say to myself in quiet "Oh gosh...", because very often the reason they use Apple whatever is to feel better than somebody.

And I hate people like these. Not every Apple enjoyer is like that, and there are legitimate reasons to go Apple, like wanting that ecosystem, good camera,, using something that just works or go with Apple Silicon revolution. And no, Apple is not really private.

But in most cases their reasons are either a fucking IM bubbles (because I don't want to spend 5 seconds to install an app that works anywhere) or it just "doesn't lag" (which any phone over $200 doesn't) which is obviously a fucking bullshit to cover the actual answer which is "I wanted to feel better by having shit that every fancy person uses".

But the funniest people are the ones trying to explain these "amazing features" to me, totally ignoring the points that IM sucks on Android because Apple pushes their own standard and refuses to use open ones, that no sideloading and Apple controlling whole app ecosystem is the best thing ever and that Android is slow, because it [put any argument Apple fanboy without the basic OS concepts understanding would make] and not because you used $100 phone and switched to a motherfucking $600 phone. Wow, who would've thought?

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[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Absolutely definitely yes.

In high school and continuing into university, everyone would play the iMessage/Snapchat games that only work with iOS. The few Android users, including me, were 2nd class citizens.

Using Android has absolutely cost me several potential friendships and looking back I genuinely should've spent the money and bought the inferior iPhone.

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[–] bleeps@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As an iPhone user, whenever I'm in a group chat with one or more Android users, sending images tends to time out and fail to send for whatever reason. Also video sometimes is very tiny. In those cases I'd rather use another app for a smoother experience for everyone.

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[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one -2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I can see why people would be annoyed. Y family is heavily invested in the Apple/iCloud side of things. And having all our phones work together in the same environment is so much less of a headache vs. a mix of apple, android.

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[–] kissmedanascully@lemmy.fmhy.ml -2 points 2 years ago

I understand it can give some girls the ick. Try not to let them see your phone.

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