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  • buy organic food with no preservatives
  • look ingredients
  • salt (inorganic preservative)

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[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 120 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

buy food without any kind of preservative

spoils in a day or two

shocked pikachu face

[–] poppy@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

That’s a big problem in makeup too! Companies want to put out “clean” and “natural” makeup but makeup isn’t typically used very quickly. Makeup with no preservatives going bad is common.

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 87 points 2 years ago (5 children)

"Organic" and "nonGMO" are two things that will actively make me avoid your product.

[–] hsr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

One of my personal pet peeves, along with people who act like "clean energy" simply means no smog or visible particulate emissions.

[–] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That did and in some places does still matter. Homes moving away from heating with coal to natural gas reduces smog. Thus it is seen as clean energy. Because everything is cleaner in the true sense of the word clean. Green is often a better predictor.

[–] hsr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yes, I get that literally clean energy is important and in many places it would be a significant improvement. It can also be easier to explain that we need to move away from fossil fuels based on tangible pollution, not the nebulous "greenhouse gasses" and "global warming", especially when talking to conservative folks.

Still, I feel like public awareness of the issue is... questionable. Whenever I read about some government program to fund more renewable energy, or hear politiciants discuss it, it's almost always the literal clean, not green clean. Invisible emissions will still mess up our climate, and more people should know that.

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Personally I like charging up batteries in the Nether and bringing them back so the emissions don't matter.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Stupid question, what's wrong with organic?

[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 19 points 2 years ago

It's a bullshit marketing term to appeal to pseudoscience and anti-intellectuals.

[–] Laticauda@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's a heavily abused and arbitrary marketing term that doesn't actually indicate anything about what the food is made of or how it's made or grown. It also doesn't indicate anything about how healthy the food is or how good it tastes. At most it's slightly better for the environment in some areas with some brands when used properly, but even then regulations are too lax and inconsistent worldwide for it to be a trustworthy label.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is false. The reality is that USDA organic does have meaning. It's certainly less meaning than implied, but the binary thinking leads to an incorrect view like yours. I actively avoid organic if it's more expensive, but when it's about the same, it's clearly somewhat better to some degree

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not everything that is labeled organic is USDA Organic.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Right. I'm just saying that it's untrue that organic has no meaning. As usual, you gotta do your research

[–] Laticauda@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I did do my research. There's no evidence of any health benefit from eating organic foods and the environmental benefit is relatively minor depending on the country and ultimately no more effective (often less effective) than other dietary lifestyle changes like vegetarianism or veganism or even just reducing the amount of meat you eat. Depending on how the word organic is used on the packaging it could mean the food contains anywhere from 50-90% "organic" products. The USDA rating only accounts for the standards of one country, not the whole world, not to mention even the USDA rating doesn't exclude all fertilizers or all GMO products, but organic stuff is commonly described and marketed as being "pesticide and GMO free food". "Organic" food is constantly marketed and viewed as being healthier despite there being no actual evidence supporting that. None of that contradicts what I said in my first comment. It is an arbitrary and abused term that doesn't actually tell you anything about the food reliably. I'm not saying it's completely meaningless entirely I'm just saying it has little meaning, certainly much less than most people believe, due to a lack of consistency, constant lies in marketing, and the low level of impact it has on the environment compared to other comparable dietary options. You also don't even need to buy stuff labeled as organic in order to eat organic, since lots of organic foods aren't labelled.

By all means I would love more strict wide-spread regulation and enforcement of the term "organic" based around maximizing its environmental impact, but at the moment it's little more than a marketing tool for most companies.

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[–] larouxn@beehaw.org 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wasn't aware there's anything wrong. Albeit more expensive, I prefer to not eat pesticides. 🤷‍♂️

https://wqscert.com/usda-organic

Granted, I'm not sure there are long-term medical studies proving any harmful effect of doing so.

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Organic foods can and usually do have pesticides, and those pesticides are just as harmful to you as the artificial ones. For instance, Rotenone was an organic pesticide used for decades that is strongly linked to parkinsons and has since been banned in North America.

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[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Depends on where you live. As far as I know the term is not well protected in many countries, so it means next to nothing there.

However, I live in the EU / Germany, where we have several organic farming standards that are all fairly strict. Generally, organic actually means organically produced food here, grown without artificial pesticides, chemical fertilizers, and so on.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's code for "same shit but more expensive" As with all the labels, the intent is to shark people's ignorance with meaningless buzzwords.

[–] PrunesMakeYouPoop@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's more expensive, and it's typically not that much better than inorganic.

[–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same, but I'm also a vegan, and the organic and/or non-GMO product is often the only one without animal ingredients.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just out of curiosity since I assume you know more about this, is "plant based" the same as vegan? Because that's the hip new term but I've always wondered if they're equivalent or if they do have some animal products which is why they're dancing around the word vegan. I've never gotten a straight answer from the people at the store/restaurant.

[–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, the answer is "It depends". Although plant-based foods are usually suitable for vegans, it isn't a regulated term, so you can't be sure. Also, I think the term "vegan" has negative connotations that "plant-based" doesn't, so marketers prefer to use that term instead.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago
[–] Lodra@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Because I doubt there is anything we eat that's non gmo, we have been influencing the genetics of plants around us for centuries.

For example saying you only eat organic watermelon is fucking stupid, look at how it looked 2000 years ago and how it looks now.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Congratulations?

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 49 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Fuck organic food where can I buy some silicon based food?

All about that Germanium based food personally

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You're telling me you've never had a cobblestone cobbler? Not even a sand-wich?

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago

Eat some glass?

[–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reject modernity, embrace salt as currency.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

This sounds like a protest slogan.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 years ago

Don't worry. It was there for flavor. Not preservation.

[–] shplane@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I realize the ambiguity of whether organic really matters, but there is a strong link to pesticide use and the eventual extinction of bees-

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/sustainable-agriculture/save-the-bees/#:~:text=Many%20of%20these%20causes%20are,causes%3A%20pesticides%20and%20habitat%20loss.

[–] xX_fnord_Xx@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Vitamin E (tocopherols) are also preservatives that can be added to organic food.

[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

The wealth of misinformation and personal opinions in this thread is… it’s just classic.

It’s incredible that as we are actively engaging in conversation on the internet we fail to use this modern marvel to better ourselves. Instead, we choose to bear our ignorance and influence impressionable minds.

I mean, I know this a meme and maybe not the right place for fact checking, still…

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/organic-food/art-20043880

https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/nutrition-basics/organic-food-fact-vs-perception

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/health-benefits-organic-food-farming-report/

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Spoiler:
Spoiler work differently here :)

[–] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

OP, see here how it's done.

[–] some_random_nick@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why are people transcribing memes?

[–] KoboldOfArtifice@ttrpg.network 24 points 2 years ago

So that vision impaired people or people with whatever other impairment can enjoy the content. The text can be read out by a screen reader.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago

At least they labeled salt correctly as "inorganic". Doesn't matter, but it's at least correct.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

that cat seems to be missing the top of his head. Where is the rest of his head?

[–] Kushia@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

He ate too much organic food with salt in it and got smooth brain.

It's a huge conspiracy that the big seasoning companies don't want you to know.

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