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Can we get a consensus on whether our community should de-federate with servers that host loli? I personally think we should block them, and if that ends up not being the consensus here then I'll probably sign up on another server. I hope we can all agree to set that boundary though because I like it here and it seems otherwise pretty cool.

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[–] funde@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago

shota not mentioned simp post

[–] nictophilia@fedia.io 2 points 2 years ago

Another vote for blocking but not de-federating. De-federating is a nuclear option with a lot of collateral damage, and it's pretty easy nowadays to just start screaming "pedophile" if your goal is to cause collateral damage. I'm worried that if instances start defederating in a knee-jerk reaction, it will be weaponized.

Just block it.

[–] planish@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

Definitely don't want to have it showing up in the feed here.

Not sure if we want to boot the whole remote instance, though, if it also carries communities and users that we would allow. Can we block communities at the instance level?

[–] _uc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Absolutely block instances hosting illegal content - the way federation works means copies / caches of content can end up on this server? Or even if that’s not how lemmy does it, it risks using this server to facilitate the spread of something incredibly harmful & damaging.

As far as I’m concerned there’s no argument for allowing / normalising content produced which quite literally ruins peoples lives.

Edit: Even stuff that’s purely cartoonish in nature for me is just grim, and I don’t want to be a part of a community which supports it.

Edit2: If a server can block a specific community posting CSAM then maybe that's a better solution than blocking the underlying infrastructure. If that's not possible, I think defederation is the only real way to deal it, as frustrating as that would be for legitimate users.

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[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

needs to be at least easy to make sure default all is sane, once a user signs in and does what they will they can see or block what they please, with start being the same sfw default .

[–] kadu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I'd also like to have the ability to block entire instances. Not sure if the architecture would allow that, but at least the mobile apps should be able to filter out all posts from a specific instance

[–] ValetteRenoux@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Im afraid to ask, but what is loli? Definitely don’t feel like looking it up if people are that put off by it.

[–] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Child porn but with drawing

Depending where you live, it can be "still be legal" because no kid were raped, or illegal. So I am 100% sure blocking the whole instance hosting child-porn. I don't want to get in trouble with the law for watching the front-page. More important, I don't want hear that lemmy is used by pedophile to exchange child-porn

[–] InfiniteVariables@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hentai of underage persons. A lot of the time they'll try to pretend it's not by dressing it in a fantasy or scifi setting but that's what it essentially is. I personally see it as cp

[–] ValetteRenoux@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

Thank you, definitely glad I didn’t look that one up.

[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

So pedo cartoons?

[–] hardypart@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (12 children)
[–] CookieJarObserver@burggit.moe 0 points 2 years ago

Basically shortstack anime girls or childrenish looking ones.

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Yeah, full agree. So far I've only had to block a few communities to get the loli to stop popping up on all, but a rogue instance could really start to spam people with pretty horrible stuff. That's what defederation is for, it seems, but there needs to be some rules in place for when the instance ban-hammer gets called upon.

It would be very nice if clients like Jerboa allowed users to choose to ban/filter specific instances for themselves without affecting everyone else, though.

[–] Lighting@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

How is "federation" defined for lemmy. Is it like idp federation where your username/password is shared across instances - or does it mean something related to sharing communities?

[–] TiredSpider@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I'd like that shit gone too. I understand not wanting to close ourselves off too much but I think things like avoiding groups that are ok with shit like loli is a no brainer.

[–] RobbTargaryen@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Agreed, its a big precedent to set blocking off a whole server but its ok in this extreme of a case.

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