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LoglineA distress call from Lt. Noonien-Singh compels Spock to disobey orders and take the USS Enterprise and its crew into disputed space, risking renewed hostilities with the Klingons in a bid to aid their shipmate.

Written by Henry Alonso Myers & Akiva Goldsman

Directed by Chris Fisher


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[–] Navi@startrek.website 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Enjoyed pretty much everything in this episode except the magic super steroids. The sequence went on for so long.. I assumed that I had forgotten something from last series because there’s no way they would have had this to hand the whole time and never thought to use it during any one of the many life and death emergencies?

That aside. Loved the rest of the episode and looking forward to where things go from here (plus really really happy to have weekly Trek again!)

[–] scarecrw@lemmy.one 8 points 2 years ago (5 children)

there’s no way they would have had this to hand the whole time and never thought to use it during any one of the many life and death emergencies?

Ah, yes, the star trek classic!

I do agree, though. It was too long and too effective. A quick burst to make their way past the medical guards and into a turbolift would have been more believable and better paced.

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[–] cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 years ago

I'm doing my first watch of TOS and the instrument that Spock picks up is the same as in TOS 1x02. That was a cool little reference.

[–] Equals@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago

Spock steals the Enterprise (again) -- what more could I ask for?

Also yeah -- I really love how SNW is establishing that Spock has been, in the words of Eleanor Shellstrop of The Good Place, a messy bench who loves drama, since, you know, forever. How did he put it? "I thought it was obvious. I am proposing we steal the Enterprise." Amazing.

[–] Mistymtn421@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Finally had time to watch it tonight and I thought it was great.

I feel like what seemed corny or off was on purpose. Spock is on a learning curve with his emotions/duty conundrum and we certainly felt that.

Looking forward to next week!

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[–] arod48@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago (14 children)

So we're not going to talk about the drugs that supposedly give you the strength to beat teams of Klingons and have no side effects?

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[–] MagikarpeDiem@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I understand if I get a slew of downvotes, but I thought that episode was pretty bad. The pacing was weird and many of the sequences involving the mining planet felt poorly written (what's with the Witcher potion?). I feel like I'm the only person not into the whole Spock/Chapel thing, so seeing that pushed harder was cringe for me.

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[–] Osa-Eris-Xero512@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm only 14 minutes in, and I'm already way into this season.

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[–] khaosworks@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I do annotations for every episode on DaystromInstitute, noting references and so on. Do I post the one I’ve done for “The Broken Circle” here or wait for Sunday?

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[–] TheWorldSpins@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not bad, but felt very Discovery in tone and aesthetic. I'm hoping future episodes match season 1's vibe.

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[–] HGoblin@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Have we ever heard of Lanthanites? Apparently they

spoilerlive such a long time they get bored and they are hiding on Earth in the 22nd century.

I wonder if they know about the El-Aurians or Q.

[–] smilodon48@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wouldn't be surprised. But I love how they just created a Guinan for SNW.

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[–] henriquecm8@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Nice episode, I was expecting a cliffhanger at the end showing what Pike was up to.

I am curious about the Lanthanites, I’ve had visitor before, like Guinan in 1890s, but a whole species living among side humans, maybe they don’t have a big population, I bet they could be the origin of many human myths. I wonder what was their reason.

Maybe It will help with Una’s trial, since both pretended to be humans.

Also, in TOS there was about an Immortal Human, maybe he was a Lanthanite and just didn’t know.

[–] lwaxana_katana@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I am unsure how Lanthanites can have a distinct accent if they spent centuries successfully blending in, but I agree that it's interesting.

[–] LibraryLass@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago

Structural differences in their larynx, tongue, or lips seem likely.

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[–] abba2566@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Overall, a pretty good episode! I am slightly conflicted - I really like the character development of this Spock, but it's also less and less feeling like the Spock we'll eventually see in TOS. As the Klingon captain said, 'the least Vulcan like Vulcan ever' - whereas Spock in TOS is trying to suppress his human side and it takes him till like Star Trek VI to actually act on a hunch. But I am also conflicted as I really like this character too.

The stealing the Enterprise scene, I think Search for Spock is laughing... The CGI of the Enterprise manuvering away from space dock and escaping to warp was amazing though - one of the best uses of 3D space in Star Trek ever but pausing for like 5 minutes whilst stealing a ship to decide what his 'line' is going to be... I wish the new series would stop their pre-ocupation with this, it's kind of famous because Picard uses Engage and Make It So enough to be memeable, but most of the time people from Kirk to Janeway to Sisko also use Engage. (Kirk also frequently uses warp speed Mr sulu, and ahead warp factor 1, take her out, first star to the left and straight on till morning.) And so every captain doesn't have their thing. Pike's 'hit it' is ok, but 'Let's Fly' is kinda dumb and 'I want to go, now' is out of character and just a really unnecessary part of the story. It's also not going to be memeable when it's forced.

I really didn't like the scene where M'Benga and Chapel use some kind of drug to give them super strength to fight off a whole ship of Klingons and then the torture scene? Star Trek should be cleverer than that and made me lose respect for both of the characters. At least the Klingons look like Klingons again.

I like the new chief engineer a lot more than I thought I was going too though!

Star Trek has always been kind of lax when officers disobeying orders save the day, but I thought the admiral should have been angrier and I really hope there's a scene in episode 2 where Pike and Spock talk about it.

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[–] zogeral@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Quite enjoyable, although I agree with some other commenters that it wasn't the strongest premiere. I thought the green juice and whole Chapel/M'Benga plotline was particularly rough, though dealing with the PTSD could be interesting in the future. It just felt rather un-Star Trekky in an otherwise solid show.

I'm also slightly unsure about how far they are going in regards to Spocks journey. I did like that they had an in-universe fairly believable reason for it from last seasons episode with the Gorn. I like that the show has a consequence for Spock, and I certainly don't hate it but just a bit cautious and curious where it's heading.

Otherwise I thoroughly enjoyed the episode, even with so little of Pike. The other characters are very solid and I liked that they toned down some of the quips and such. Looking forward to the rest of the season.

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[–] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Was that a TOS style California-class docked next to the Enterprise early on?

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[–] briongloid@aussie.zone 6 points 2 years ago

For me that was surprisingly good, by the end I thoroughly enjoyed it.

[–] Razzleberry@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (12 children)

That space jump sequence was the best part of the episode. I felt that.

I just wish it wasn't the same "we're about to have to jump into space" scene that I've seen on countless other TV shows.

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[–] bookish1303@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago

Well here we go. Let’s try this out

[–] Dunewarriorz@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Fun episode, but bits and pieces always felt a little off. Pelia was fantastic - love seeing competent non-main-characters in any sort of fiction.

Chapel/Spock... ugh. Not so much.

Whats with the wierd "Crossfield" class?

[–] StreetcornPips@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago

Might be the standard Crossfield, with Discovery and Glenn being modified variants to support the spore drive.

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